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Old 02-21-2014, 01:55 PM   #51
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you are very right bikendan. If people want to take the responsibility of hauling their family down the road in a heavily loaded vehicle, they need to take the responsibility to make sure they have the right vehicle for the job.
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Old 02-21-2014, 02:18 PM   #52
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you are very right bikendan. If people want to take the responsibility of hauling their family down the road in a heavily loaded vehicle, they need to take the responsibility to make sure they have the right vehicle for the job.
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also for the safety of other motorist on the roads!
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Old 02-21-2014, 02:38 PM   #53
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Just curious, do we have any RV sales people that are members of the Forum? I know there are some Reps from factories here.
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Old 02-21-2014, 02:44 PM   #54
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you are very right bikendan. If people want to take the responsibility of hauling their family down the road in a heavily loaded vehicle, they need to take the responsibility to make sure they have the right vehicle for the job.
They need to make sure THEY are up to the job also. The vehicle is NOT the primary factor here, IMHO. A gentleman that had worked as a police officer, accident investigator, and insurance accident consultant that I spoke with in depth while camping over New Years told me that EVERY accident involving towing he had EVER seen was caused by driver error- NOT because of having a TV insufficient for the trailer. Also, IMHO, most here on the forums focus MUCH too heavily on the TV while ignoring the driver. I firmly believe we are doing a great disservice to those new to RVing if we encourage them to exceed THEIR ability just because the sticker on the door says they are good. The first thing a salesman should ask to a guy looking at a massive camper is "Have you ever pulled a camper or large trailer before?" Next question should be "What are you towing with?" This is just my .02.
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Old 02-21-2014, 02:46 PM   #55
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Just curious, do we have any RV sales people that are members of the Forum? I know there are some Reps from factories here.
Yes, there are a handful.
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Old 02-21-2014, 02:50 PM   #56
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They need to make sure THEY are up to the job also. The vehicle is NOT the primary factor here, IMHO. A gentleman that had worked as a police officer, accident investigator, and insurance accident consultant that I spoke with in depth while camping over New Years told me that EVERY accident involving towing he had EVER seen was caused by driver error- NOT because of having a TV insufficient for the trailer. Also, IMHO, most here on the forums focus MUCH too heavily on the TV while ignoring the driver. I firmly believe we are doing a great disservice to those new to RVing if we encourage them to exceed THEIR ability just because the sticker on the door says they are good. The first thing a salesman should ask to a guy looking at a massive camper is "Have you ever pulled a camper or large trailer before?" Next question should be "What are you towing with?" This is just my .02.
the salesperson doesn't care because he only gets paid if he sells you one. They match up empty weight to what they think your vehicle can handle. Don't take into account the load in the vehicle or trailer
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Old 02-21-2014, 02:52 PM   #57
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The movie from Driver Ed Anatomy of an Accident"

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(remember when we actually TRAINED kids to drive! Now we just give em a test and kick them out on the road.)
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Old 02-21-2014, 03:05 PM   #58
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The movie from Driver Ed Anatomy of an Accident"

ALWAYS shown right before lunch period!








(remember when we actually TRAINED kids to drive! Now we just give em a test and kick them out on the road.)
I advocate that in order to get a drivers license, 90% of your teachers you've had in High School must sign a form testifying that you were a responsible, intelligent student. We'd have better behaved, better educated kids, and less traffic!!!!!
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Old 02-21-2014, 03:17 PM   #59
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I believe in personal responsibility. That would be one unbelievable can of worms to open. Sell a teen a sports car? That's dangerous. Sell a huge camper to someone that's never even pulled a dump trailer behind his lawn mower because he's got a 1 ton dually? That's dangerous. Sell a 12,000 pound 5er to someone in a 1/2 ton? That's dangerous. Sell someone a 32' TT and don't FORCE them to buy a form of sway control? That's dangerous. Sell someone a camper that they load heavily in the front or rear? That's dangerous. Way too many variables there. Wouldn't be long until no one would sell you anything out of fear of being sued.

My point exactly, if the guy wants to buy it no matter what fine, but salesman shouldn't insist he can tow it safely.
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My point exactly, if the guy wants to buy it no matter what fine, but salesman shouldn't insist he can tow it safely.
I'm with you now!! When the salesman either doesn't know or LIES about what you can safely tow, he or she has crossed the line.
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