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Old 11-07-2012, 06:19 PM   #11
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Those prices are not too far off of what you can order from Etrailer. Here are some of those:


Strait-Line Weight Distribution System w Sway Control - Round Bar - 12,000 lbs GTW, 1,200 lbs TW Reese Weight Distribution RP66088

Strait-Line Weight Distribution System w Sway Control - Trunnion Bar - 12,000 lbs GTW, 1,200 lbs TW Reese Weight Distribution RP66084

Equal-i-zer offers a 14,000/1400 lb. system: 14K Equalizer Adj Hitch - RVWholesalers.com RV Parts and Accessories

Also, Blue Ox has a 15000/1500 lb system in their Sway Pro series.
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Set it up one link shorter for the ride back to the caves tonight. About 8 miles on the highway, felt different, tighter is the best word. not necessarily bouncy, but very rigid connection between truck and trailer. However, due to the pawl of the coupler hitting the ball base, I could not raise the truck high enough to get tension off to either hook it up that way or unhook it, so I would need to adjust the head angle if I keep this set-up.

I am leaning toward the Reece dual cam based upon many of the reviews here. It appears to be very good at reducing trailer movement and is quiet. It also does not have to be unhooked before backing up. I have read many great reviews of the Egaulizer but most report it is quite noisy, which i would prefer to avoid. And there is really not much info on the blue ox on this board other than someone saying they changed the design at some point and it not as good as it used to be.

I have also looked hard at the Anderson system but have not seen very many people post numbers on actual weight distribution...which concerns me.
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Old 11-08-2012, 09:08 AM   #13
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Set it up one link shorter for the ride back to the caves tonight. About 8 miles on the highway, felt different, tighter is the best word. not necessarily bouncy, but very rigid connection between truck and trailer. However, due to the pawl of the coupler hitting the ball base, I could not raise the truck high enough to get tension off to either hook it up that way or unhook it, so I would need to adjust the head angle if I keep this set-up.
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I understand that a severe angle could inhibit the pawl from going into place. Try pulling the Expy forward just a tad after getting the coupler on the ball. If the ball is all of the way forward the coupler pocket, that helps getting the pawl in place. Yes, tilting the head assembly back would help that situation, and also allow another link or 2 of chain between the snap up bracket and spring bars.

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I am leaning toward the Reece dual cam based upon many of the reviews here. It appears to be very good at reducing trailer movement and is quiet. It also does not have to be unhooked before backing up.
Beware, there used to be some rub problems associated with the Reese trunnion style (square bars) between the spring bars and the dual cam yoke or frame plate bolts during a sharp turn. I don't know if that is still a problem with the new redesigned system or not. The rub problem existed during a perfect meshing of conditions.....I can go into further details if needed.

There are have been no rub problems with the round bar system that I am aware of. The round bar system seems to work better for those trailers that have the coupler on top of the tongue frame, and the square bar system seems to work better when the coupler is on the bottom of the tongue framer. I had the rub problem with my trunnion style setup, and wished that I had opted for the round bar spring bars.

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I have read many great reviews of the Egaulizer but most report it is quite noisy, which i would prefer to avoid.
The Reese Dual Cam system can also be noisy. I lessen that with Vaseline on the crook of the spring bars where the ride on the cams. I think Reese now suggests oil or grease on the springs bars when using 1200 lb. or stiffer bars (statement retracted in post #16).

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And there is really not much info on the blue ox on this board other than someone saying they changed the design at some point and it not as good as it used to be.

I have also looked hard at the Anderson system but have not seen very many people post numbers on actual weight distribution...which concerns me.
I can see the Anderson working on trailers with light tongue weights, but using them to distribute weight on a 1200 lb. tongue would put tremendous stress on the chains. I am not sold on Anderson yet.....but would like to see more information on heavier tongue weights.
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The Reese Dual Cam system can also be noisy. I lessen that with Vaseline on the crook of the spring bars where the ride on the cams. I think Reese now suggests oil or grease on the springs bars when using 1200 lb. or stiffer bars.
Hey mtnguy, where did you read that? I have been using vaseline on my 1200 lb bars and the instructions say not to use grease. I'm getting a little bit of wear on mine and I'm just curious if there has been a change in their thoughts on grease.
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Hey mtnguy, where did you read that? I have been using vaseline on my 1200 lb bars and the instructions say not to use grease. I'm getting a little bit of wear on mine and I'm just curious if there has been a change in their thoughts on grease.
I always thought that grease or oil was not to be used.

Here is the installation and maintenance manual for the dual cam:

Trailer Hitch Instructions For DrawTite, Reese, Hidden Hitch & More - etrailer.com

On sheet 8 (of 30), here is the statements:

1. DO NOT – use grease on the cams or cam arms.
2. If noise of the system is offensive, a very light coating of lubricant such as Vaseline may be used on the portion of the
cam where the spring bar rides on the cam.
Tongue weights in excess of 1,200 lbs. may require the use of such a lubricant to prevent excessive wear.
3. Keep all painted parts painted to prevent rust and maintain a good appearance. (Do Not paint over labels)


I interpret "may require the use of such a lubricant to prevent excessive wear" as referring back to #1 about not using grease on the cams.

But now that I read it again, they also refer to Vaseline as a lubricant, so it may be referring to that. Since it is in the same section, it probably means Vaseline....which I don't think of as much of a lubricant.

How do others interpret that section ?? I may have to do a retraction on my previous statement.
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Len & Cheri and others, after reading through my old instructions (copyright 2003), and again rereading the new instructions (copyright 2010), I now believe the statement referred to in my last post does indeed mean to use Vaseline instead of grease on the dual cams. Sorry for the misinformation.

I am going to put a disclaimer on my orginal post about grease on the 1200 lb. bars.

Here are the bar ends of my 800 lb. bars pulling a trailer with a 700 lb. tongue weight:

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Not too bad after about 8700 miles. I do use Vaseline at the start of every trip, but it tends to eventually wear off by the end of the day.....as evident with the noise as I pull into my campground site.
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I understand that a severe angle could inhibit the pawl from going into place. Try pulling the Expy forward just a tad after getting the coupler on the ball. If the ball is all of the way forward the coupler pocket, that helps getting the pawl in place. Yes, tilting the head assembly back would help that situation, and also allow another link or 2 of chain between the snap up bracket and spring bars.



Beware, there used to be some rub problems associated with the Reese trunnion style (square bars) between the spring bars and the dual cam yoke or frame plate bolts during a sharp turn. I don't know if that is still a problem with the new redesigned system or not. The rub problem existed during a perfect meshing of conditions.....I can go into further details if needed.

There are have been no rub problems with the round bar system that I am aware of. The round bar system seems to work better for those trailers that have the coupler on top of the tongue frame, and the square bar system seems to work better when the coupler is on the bottom of the tongue framer. I had the rub problem with my trunnion style setup, and wished that I had opted for the round bar spring bars.
The ball was firmly locked in the coupler, I was jacking up the the rear end of the truck to take tension off the trunnion bars to try and get them attached. the problem was the flat part of the ball at the bottom was hitting the pawl that come down. I dont think there was anything I could do without changing the angle of the hitch head.

I read several comments online - including an "expert opinion" on etrailer that the trunnion bars are superior to round bars. However the round bars are definitely cheaper.
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Old 11-08-2012, 10:43 AM   #18
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Len & Cheri and others, after reading through my old instructions (copyright 2003), and again rereading the new instructions (copyright 2010), I now believe the statement referred to in my last post does indeed mean to use Vaseline instead of grease on the dual cams. Sorry for the misinformation.

I am going to put a disclaimer on my orginal post about grease on the 1200 lb. bars.

Here are the bar ends of my 800 lb. bars pulling a trailer with a 700 lb. tongue weight:

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Not too bad after about 8700 miles. I do use Vaseline at the start of every trip, but it tends to eventually wear off by the end of the day.....as evident with the noise as I pull into my campground site.
so is the noise kind of a pop when the cam pops out or more of a screech of it binding on metal? Just curious. Those kind of noises will probably freak the wife out a little...
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Old 11-08-2012, 12:24 PM   #19
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the round bar is here for 505:
Reese 66088 Strait-Line 1200 lbs Round Bar with Shank Camper Trailer RV
the trunnion is 568:
Strait-Line Weight Distribution System w Sway Control - Trunnion Bar - 12,000 lbs GTW, 1,200 lbs TW Reese Weight Distribution RP66084
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Len & Cheri and others, after reading through my old instructions (copyright 2003), and again rereading the new instructions (copyright 2010), I now believe the statement referred to in my last post does indeed mean to use Vaseline instead of grease on the dual cams. Sorry for the misinformation.

I am going to put a disclaimer on my orginal post about grease on the 1200 lb. bars.

Here are the bar ends of my 800 lb. bars pulling a trailer with a 700 lb. tongue weight:

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Not too bad after about 8700 miles. I do use Vaseline at the start of every trip, but it tends to eventually wear off by the end of the day.....as evident with the noise as I pull into my campground site.
Thanks for keeping us straight

My 1200 lbs bars look a little worse then that after about 1500 miles.
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