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Old 03-31-2011, 02:34 PM   #31
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Newbie to the site. Just signed on at the Welcome Mat. We have the Triton 4.6L and 6-speed auto in our '06 Mountaineer, and this thread is just what I've been looking for.

We brought home our Surveyor 261T last Saturday, and it's the first thing I've towed with the Mounty. Been thinking about a ScanGage, but wanted to be sure it could monitor trans temp first.

Q1: How do I ensure SG monitors trans temp on '06 Mounty before I buy?

But when I hear you guys talking about convertor slip monitoring and load percentage, I'm hooked! Here's why:

The 6-speed package on the '06 has an OD lockout button that locks out both 5th and 6th, which to me is stupid. So I thought I'd be stuck in 4th, not wanting to heat things up too much. But when I tried towing with OD enabled, I found that it seemed to be holding 5th gear. Could it really be smart enough to hold 5th AND lock up the convertor? Small throttle changes was not affecting RPMs, so it seems like it's locked up, but I'm not sure.

But it seems that with the ScanGage2, I CAN be sure.

Q2: Can I also confirm that the '06 Mounty will provide output for convertor slip and the other things you are mentioning?

Is this a call to the company, or do they have such details on a website?

I'm guessing none of you guys have the 6-speed? I think that didn't make the F150 until '07.
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Old 03-31-2011, 02:54 PM   #32
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Don't have the 6 speed so can't help you there. I think that you are essentially correct on figuring out whether your torque converter is locked. Throttle inputs while not locked will result in immediate RPM increase. If locked, only gradual increase associated with increased road speed.

To the best of my knowledge, all Ford products put out the information that we have been discussing. You need to program it into the SGII but they give you the codes and instructions. Might take you 30 minutes (one time only).

I don't think the web site will do you much good (last I looked was awhile ago) because they sell this for all brands. Not all brands put out TFT so they don't claim that it will be reported. You could call them. Customer service is pretty good. But if my '05 Ford put out this info, your '06 should.

Good luck. (It is a great purchase)
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Old 03-31-2011, 02:59 PM   #33
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Would the 4.6 in the mounty and an F-150 basically not be the same ? And hopefully the same engine computer ? Wishful thinking of course.

Do you know anyone around you who can loan you their SG-II maybe ? Not that I would loan it again ! it came back with the lcd screen scratched URRRGGHH !!! I prefered to keep my mouth shut as I like the friend I loaned it to ....But if you can find someone who can loan it that is the best way to figure out ....
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Old 03-31-2011, 03:04 PM   #34
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Not sure the ECM is exactly the same; doubtful. But I think that their programming philosophy and the the things they monitor will be intact.
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Old 03-31-2011, 04:36 PM   #35
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I know the Explorer/Mountaineer had the 16-valve 4.6L V8 (roughly 250hp) mated to a 5-speed thru 2005. In 2006, the 4.6L V8 was upgraded the 24-valve "Triton" family (292hp, 300 ft-lbs) and got the 6-speed standard.

The F150 went to that same drivetrain, but not until 2007. 2006 and earlier had the 16-valve 4.6L, and (if I'm reading you guys right) a 4-speed trans. But IIRC, while the Exp/Mounty 6-speed has a 5th/6th lockout button, the 6-speed in the F150 (2007+) has a true "tow/haul" button. It doesn't completely lock out overdrive, but instead switches to a different set of programs to enhance towing, and protect the powertrain.
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Old 04-01-2011, 08:25 AM   #36
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Q1: How do I ensure SG monitors trans temp on '06 Mounty before I buy?

Q2: Can I also confirm that the '06 Mounty will provide output for convertor slip and the other things you are mentioning?

Is this a call to the company, or do they have such details on a website?
Thebrakeman, I think a call to ScanGauge would be your best bet. I called on my 06 F150 before I bought the ScanGauge, and they confirmed that I should get a transmission temperature reading, but I didn't ask about the other options that I now monitor......they were nice extras.
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Old 04-06-2011, 05:39 PM   #37
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I haven't been able to get CTQ to work on my truck. Not sure why.
If you have a ScanGauge, read this:

I have never been able to get the GR (gear ratio) to work. Today I asked Chap to check his codes as his GR worked. Sure enough, his codes were different than mine. The data sheet that ScanGauge sent me had the wrong codes.

So, here are the codes for CTQ that work on my truck. Check these against your codes, perhaps there is an error.

TXD = 07E022163A
RXF = 04620516063A
RXD = 3008
MTH = 000200010000
NAM = CTQ
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I can't resist this discussion!!

So, if you are towing, it seems to me that the key things to monitor are:

LOD (Load) You know what % of total torque availabe at that RPM you are using

TFT (Transmission Fluid Temperature)

GR (Gear Ratio) So, you know what gear you are in

SLP (Slip or torque converter % throughput) so you know if your torque converter is locked

Another possibility is CTQ or computed torque

Would some of you with this device have an alternative point of view?
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ya'll are awesome. My ScanGuage is due to arrive tomorrow!! Can't wait to play!
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I want to see :

TFT and SLP for sure ....

I did not find LOD useable for saving gas ...I already try to drive conservatively and instant mpg seemed to be more useful to me.

GR is umm, I don;t know, I know which gear it is on by the sound Or at least I think I do.

CTQ, I never heard of, I will set it up and play with it.

I couldn't find anything else which I could understand and interpret to be honest. There are a bunch of stuff but they are all greek to me


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I can't resist this discussion!!

So, if you are towing, it seems to me that the key things to monitor are:

LOD (Load) You know what % of total torque availabe at that RPM you are using

TFT (Transmission Fluid Temperature)

GR (Gear Ratio) So, you know what gear you are in

SLP (Slip or torque converter % throughput) so you know if your torque converter is locked

Another possibility is CTQ or computed torque

Would some of you with this device have an alternative point of view?
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