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Old 08-12-2014, 07:41 AM   #11
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Thanks everyone,

Great comments.

I realize I am right around the max towing of the car SUV types and this is why I am on the fence. It would be an easy decision if I had a 6,000 lb unit. I would have no choice.

I know the conventional wisdom is that people start in a tent, move up to a pop up, then HTT, then TT, then 5th wheel, then MH. I plan on sticking with a pop up mainly because I just would not feel comfortable with a huge unit behind me. We considered a Roo 23IKSS but it just looked so tall and huge compared to what I am used to.

The Armada's as great but big. I think they compete with the Suburban which is on the large size to me. I would prefer a Tahoe size vehicle I think. Pathfinder and Toureg are definitely considerations. The choices can make you crazy. lol.

I am thinking it would be a good idea to see how my Trailblazer tows the new pop up. If I find it is having trouble, then that will answer the question pretty clear. If it is ok, then I could still consider a car based SUV. That will at least narrow the choices down a bit for me.

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Old 08-12-2014, 07:57 AM   #12
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The reason I suggested a 2-3 year-old V8 is because they get about the same gas mileage as the older V6's... My 5.7 Hemi gets 17 mpg on my combined highway/city commute which is about what a friend's older V6 Trailblazer gets.

The new "Eco" technology tops that combined with 8 speed trannies, etc. is still a more expensive up-front purchase & it's difficult to find something used for a good price. IMO if your Trailblazer can serve another 2-3 years, you will have more affordable new & used "Eco" choices in the future.

In my case the V8 Hemi is the most economical choice for me because I got a 2 year-old 2500 with the remainder of it's warranty for $14K... In a few years I will consider trading it in on newer "Eco" technology that gives me better gas mileage on my commute.
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Old 08-12-2014, 07:59 AM   #13
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The Toureg TDI I think would make a good tow vehicle and daily driver, costs a little more up front but will retain value better than the smaller SUVs. My wife has a Yukon XL(suburban) and gets 18 mpg at best on interstate. It does have the larger 6.2L engine and AWD though.
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Old 08-12-2014, 12:10 PM   #14
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The new Ford Explorer is an excellent tow vehicle. It has a V-6 with the power of the V8's of a few years ago. I am towing a 4500 Lbs SP-220 with it and have not had any problems.
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Old 08-12-2014, 01:17 PM   #15
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The new Ford Explorer is an excellent tow vehicle. It has a V-6 with the power of the V8's of a few years ago. I am towing a 4500 Lbs SP-220 with it and have not had any problems.
Are you speaking of the Eco boost engine? There is a lot of talk of that engine here on the forum. That I believe only comes in the Explorer sport. As that is close to $45K if I remember correctly. Right around the price of a V8 Tahoe I think.

I was looking at the standard Explorer engine (V6 - non turbocharged). The tow package is rated up to 5,000 lbs.

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Old 08-12-2014, 01:41 PM   #16
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Dry weight of that popup is 3135lbs. Standard estimate for loaded weight over dry is 600-800 lbs for a popup. So keeping this at 4000 lbs loaded should not be a problem. An Explorer with tow package (5000lbs max tow rating) will have 1000 lbs capacity for passengers and cargo in the TV.

I think this would be a good match. If this is the wife's daily driver, she will love it, it will pull the popup just fine, and get good mileage when not towing.

If you want more capacity in a similar layout, I'd look at the Durango:
V6 w/o tow package = 5000
V6 with tow package = 6200 (6500?)
V8 w/o tow package = ?
V8 with tow package = 7400
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Old 08-12-2014, 02:21 PM   #17
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From the viewpoint of how infrequently you camp. If it were me I and I was satisfied with the Trailblazer I would give it a try before buying a new TV. You appear to be within the capacity of the TV and have experience with towing a PUP so should be able to tell pretty quickly how the rig is handling. If you can defer buy a new TV you will have time to look for it's replacement down the road which should let some of the newer technology settle down and make it easier to determine which will better suit your needs. Being in a similar spot to this my wife and I plan to replace our current TV with something that will handle a larger TT when the time comes a few years down the road. That way we have something with the capacity we need when replace the TT a few years after that.
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Old 08-12-2014, 02:37 PM   #18
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"Love the one you're with"??
Good point!
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Old 08-12-2014, 02:50 PM   #19
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Sounds familiar to my situation. Had a 2002 Trailblazer I6 for 4 years pulling a Coleman Mesa (3000 lbs). Pulled ok but the Trailblazer is underpowered for towing and doesn't have a big gas tank. Worked ok for lots of short trips though.

Then I got a 2005 Suburban 4.3L 4 speed. Much improved room and towing. And better gas mileage overall towing or not towing than the Trailblazer, since the engine is sized correctly for the size of the vehicle. Then I got the 2009 Suburban 4.3 L 6 speed. Really like the 6 speed. With a TT is struggles with wind loading but likely no cure for that.

At his point I am considering a small diesel SUV or truck as the next TV. My brother has the new Grand Cherokee 3L diesel and it is nice. 42 mpg CDN highway, and 7200 LB tow rating, rated at 24 mpg CDN towing. I think there will be a few new diesels out shortly as well.

So I'd go for something like the Yukon/Tahoe used or wait to see the new crop of small diesels.
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Dry weight of that popup is 3135lbs. Standard estimate for loaded weight over dry is 600-800 lbs for a popup. So keeping this at 4000 lbs loaded should not be a problem. An Explorer with tow package (5000lbs max tow rating) will have 1000 lbs capacity for passengers and cargo in the TV.

I think this would be a good match. If this is the wife's daily driver, she will love it, it will pull the popup just fine, and get good mileage when not towing.

If you want more capacity in a similar layout, I'd look at the Durango:
V6 w/o tow package = 5000
V6 with tow package = 6200 (6500?)
V8 w/o tow package = ?
V8 with tow package = 7400

That is what I was thinking but wanted to throw the question out to others to make sure I was not out in left field or just having wishful thinking or trying to convince myself I am right.

Yes. the Pup has a published dry weight of 1,335lbs and cargo carrying capacity of 1,217 lbs which equals 4,352. Throw in variations to actual weight and I felt using a 4,500lbs figure is best without a scale.

Conservatively that would give me 500lbs of people and gear in the TV. Not all that much. Good thing I only weigh 160lbs. They give that to the driver when arriving at numbers.

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