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Old 08-15-2014, 02:38 PM   #41
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The 2000 lbs would be towing without the towing package. On the older Explorers it was eh bumper hitch not sure what the 5th generations uses but most likely a class II receiver. The towing package adds a class III hitch and whatever else is needed to increase capacity. This is where the 3500 lbs comes in.
well, sort of. This is where it gets weird. the Ford Class II hitch says Max of 3500lbs and is a 2" Class II receiver. From my experience, Class II are normally 1-1/4" receivers, not 2"
eTrailer says 2" Class II's exist, but it's not common.http://www.etrailer.com/hitch-size.aspx

the Factory hitch included with the Tow package is a Class III 2" receiver along with 7 pin and 4 pin connections, bumper cover and some upgraded cooling. The Ford branded Receiver that is installed as a dealer option for those without the factory tow package appears to be the same Class III 2" receiver with 7pin and 4 pin connections but clearly marked Class II and minus the upgraded cooling.


The attached pictures are from a Gen 5 Explorer with Dealer installed Hitch. It looks exactly like my Class III Factory Installed including the updated bumper with receiver cover. So it looks like with either option, it's the upgraded cooling that Ford is giving the boost in capacity to 5000lbs.
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Old 08-15-2014, 02:42 PM   #42
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IMO, hands down the Chevy Tahoe.
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Old 08-15-2014, 03:01 PM   #43
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IMO, hands down the Chevy Tahoe.
I am thinking that also Mr. Old Coot.

Gonna need to start saving some cash then. Just hate to have a $800/ month car payments. That is close to my Mortgage.

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Old 08-15-2014, 03:04 PM   #44
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Bryce,

Thanks so much for posting the pics and taking the time to explain all this. The salespeople just seem dumb or do not seem to care enough to look into it for you.

I will be sure to insist on a factory installed package with a tranny cooler if i go with Explorer. Should be easy to see with a quick hood pop.

You guys are awesome!

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I will be sure to insist on a factory installed package with a tranny cooler if i go with Explorer. Should be easy to see with a quick hood pop.
Just look under the front bumper/air dam on the to the passenger side of center for the air scoop for the aux oil cooler (cut out rectangular hole in the Air Dam). AFAIK, this is only on Sport models or those with the factory Tow Package.
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Great. Will do. Thanks.
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Thank you keith for the clarification. I was starting to get worried, but I do having the towing package with class 3
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For the gen 5 Explorers, it seems clear that:
a. w/o class 3 tow package, you can only tow 2000 lbs, period.
b. with class 3 tow package, you can tow up to 5000 lbs if you use a WDH

What is unclear, is what can you tow with the class 3 tow package, but w/o a WDH. Since there is some increased cooling, and they call it "class 3", I do not believe it would still be limited to 2000 lbs. But they clearly say you can't get 5000 lbs w/o WDH. Therefore, it seems logical to limit things to 3500 lbs, weight-carrying, with the class 3 package.

And I think this fits the bill. The Explorer is no longer a truck. 4th gen didn't need WDH until 5000 lbs. But the new crossover is more softly sprung (and that's OK!). But more than 3500 lbs means likely 400+ lbs of tongue weight. That's probably about 560 lbs added to the rear axle, and 160 lbs removed from the front axle. It's at this point that vehicle dynamics get affected. You want to use a WDH to get that weight back on the front wheels.
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