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Old 04-25-2013, 12:55 AM   #41
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Around my part of the world, the government says you cannot exceed any one of front GAWR, rear GAWR or GVWR. They also say that the tow vehicle must have 1HP per 150KG (331lbs) of GVW. I haven't seen that before anywhere. Ford also says the same thing in regards to GAWR and GVWR.

Not sure why anyone would think it doesn't matter if you exceed the stated maximums. You might get away with it in the short term, but it's not going to do the TV much good over time by overstressing brakes, chassis, suspension, etc. Heaven forbid, if you ever do cause an accident and you end up in court, if Judge Judy asks you if you are even one pound over the manufacturers stated maximums, you will be liable and have the book thrown at you. Same goes for your insurance company because they will be looking for anything they can pin on you.
I had no disagreements with you until "Heaven forbid"

I have read similar comments like this here and on other forums invoking fear of the law and insurance companies. Your comment is pure speculation with no supporting evidence or facts. I don't believe you understand the concept of insurance and why we pay the premiums.
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Interesting that one group rationalizes why they have faith in the manufacturing engineer's safety specs and the other group rationalizes why they tow with more faith in their own personal insight regarding standards.

Whatever helps you sleep at night, I guess...
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OldCoot - you know very well that's an unfair generalization. I have a "big truck" and vehemently adhere to 60-65 mph max speed even if the posted speed limit is higher.
Not a generalization, but personal experience. I pull 60-65 and am always passed by motorhomes & 5ers running at least 5-10 mph faster. In the last 6 yrs going to FL and returning, I can honestly say that I have passed about 3 rvs on I95, but have been passed by literally 100's of 5ers & mh all going above the speed limit.
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As always in these discussions "Caveat Lector" (Let the reader beware).

I felt like I was walking through a field of cow pies looking for a quarter.

What I do know for sure is that the only change between my 2008 GMC Sierra 2500HD Crew Cab and the 2010 GMC Sierra 2500HD Crew Cab was a frame change. My truck has a "C" frame and the 2010 has a "BOX" frame.

The BOX frame truck has a 1000 pound higher GVWR than mine with the same options (engine, trans, rear, bed and cab). Axles, tires, brakes, etc are identical.
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Since someone brought up the legality of not exceeding the sticker weight- according to statements by LEOs on other forums, there is nothing legally binding about the sticker on the door of your truck. That sticker doesn't even have to be there. Do you fear being sued if you change tire size? What about repainting the truck? Changing axles? Running different tire pressure? These are all things that are posted on the truck but are modified constantly by people. Of all the forums I've been on and seen challenges to produce even one instance of someone being overloaded and being sued I've yet to see one case.
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Not a generalization, but personal experience. I pull 60-65 and am always passed by motorhomes & 5ers running at least 5-10 mph faster. In the last 6 yrs going to FL and returning, I can honestly say that I have passed about 3 rvs on I95, but have been passed by literally 100's of 5ers & mh all going above the speed limit.
Right, but that doesn't mean that people are speeding because they have a bigger truck. It means people are speeding because they're speeding. In my opinion, you're drawing conclusions to things that don't have any relationship.

If you've only passed 3 RVs - does that mean the 100s of 5ers were all big trucks within their specs? Or was it a combination of those within their ratings and those over their ratings?

And, I'm not sure how the MHs fit into this discussion.
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Finally, like I said - I usually pride myself on avoiding dogmatic arguments. This is my last post to this thread.
As jtstrongman said.. apparently you can ignore this. New thread, new rules? My real agenda reveals itself!
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The following IMHO are the easiest to read -
Each Canadian jurisdiction has similar wording but from my searching most seem to bury it in the Motor Vehicle act
  • Manufacturers set the Gross Axle Weight Rating based on requirements set by Transport Canada.
    • “ Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR)”; the GVWR refers to the maximum weight a vehicle is designed to carry including the net weight of the vehicle with accessories, plus the weight of passengers, fuels, and cargo. .
    • The GVWR is a safety standard used to prevent overloading. Manufacturers set the GVWR based on requirements set by Transport Canada. The weight on an axle can vary depending on where items are stored. .
    • “ Gross Combination Weight Rating (GCWR)”; the GCWR, sometimes expressed as the maximum trailer towing capacity, may change with different engine, transmission, and differential combinations, and is normally found in the owner's manual. The GCWR is the maximum weight of the truck and trailer combined. The maximum trailer towing capacity is the maximum weight of a trailer which may be towed when your truck is empty (no payload), any load carried in the truck will reduce its maximum trailer towing capacity. “ Gross Vehicle Weight (GVW)” is the number of kilograms derived by adding the weights on all the axles of your loaded vehicle.
    • . “ Net Weight ” is the weight of a vehicle that is empty except for the maximum capacity of fuel, oil, and coolant necessary for its operation. (ALSO referred to as “CURB Weight”)
exceeding the weights posted on the vehicle will open the driver to unsafe operation of a motor vehicle charges IMHO

For the farm hands:
When an implement dealer tows an implement of husbandry to or from a farmer, or when farmers do this themselves, they are not required to have a permit for exceeding the normal allowable width (2.60 m). They are subject to meeting the height and length provisions the Vehicle Weights and Dimensions on Classes of Highways Regulation (M.R 575/88), and obtaining a permit for exceeding these dimensions.
Note: Dealer to dealer moves require overwidth permits, and are subject to the standard conditions pertaining to the movement of oversize loads. Escort vehicles are required when a load is over 4.6m in width in these situations.


Bottom line IMHO - The driver is responsible for the safe operation of the vehicle regardless of all other factors. - Just like safe speed is not the posted speed limit (that is just the maximum speed) cause a crash for driving to fast for conditions driver is nailed for imprudent driving etc.
Same for a pilot or captain of a ship it is the person in charge of the vehicle that takes the responsibility for its safe operation & for knowing what "Safe" is for their particular vehicle.
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Since someone brought up the legality of not exceeding the sticker weight- according to statements by LEOs on other forums, there is nothing legally binding about the sticker on the door of your truck. That sticker doesn't even have to be there. Do you fear being sued if you change tire size? What about repainting the truck? Changing axles? Running different tire pressure? These are all things that are posted on the truck but are modified constantly by people. Of all the forums I've been on and seen challenges to produce even one instance of someone being overloaded and being sued I've yet to see one case.
I find it odd also that according to the weight police here that with all the unsafe vehicles violating the stickers and being UNSAFE, why do we not see the highways & byways littered with wrecked rv's? Just asking. See a bunch of cars that are wrecked and wonder if they were overloaded (weight wise, not booze) also.
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Right, but that doesn't mean that people are speeding because they have a bigger truck. It means people are speeding because they're speeding. In my opinion, you're drawing conclusions to things that don't have any relationship.

If you've only passed 3 RVs - does that mean the 100s of 5ers were all big trucks within their specs? Or was it a combination of those within their ratings and those over their ratings?

And, I'm not sure how the MHs fit into this discussion.
Well, they sure as heck couldn't be speeding with an overloaded small truck! DUH!
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