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Old 11-02-2010, 07:40 PM   #1
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SV264 R Kitchen, Is it more prone to sway?

I am negotiating on a new Surveyor SV 264 which is a rear kitchen layout. I am excited about many aspects of it - except the weight distribution. Dry weight, with options, is about 4,783 Ibs, so I am working on the assumption at this point that an SV264 loaded for a trip south with propane, two batteries and our "stuff" will weigh in the neighborhood of about 6500lbs max, and I expect a TW in the range of 600-750lbs (WD hitch). My TV is a 2010 2WD f150 SC with tow package, 145" wb, 5.4L, 3.55 LS and 6sp auto and, unfortunately stock p235 tires.

My concern is the dreaded sway phenomenon. Because we travel about 10,000 to 15,000 kms every winter, I am a little apprehensive about sway issues. I have heard a lot about it but never experienced it. It seems to me that a rear Kitchen layout, which concentrates weight (packed fridge, food, dishes, pans, and stove) at the far rear extremity of the trailer would exacerbate any sway tendencies inherent in the rig, sort of like a pendulum effect. This trailer has torsion suspension vice leaf springs so that is another area of unknown for me.

So, is there anyone out there with first hand experience with rear kitchen layouts and sway issues who would like to share their experiences?

This is my first post, so be easy on me.

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Old 11-02-2010, 07:54 PM   #2
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A light hitch weight can cause sway issues. As long as you distribute your weight correctly it shouldn't be a problem. Recommended hitch weight for a tt is 10-15%, so a 6500 loaded tt should have a 650-975 hitch weight.

If you have a problem reaching that recommended hitch weight, check to see if your tanks are in the front. If so you can add water to help.

Not everyone agrees, but some of us believe length of tt versus tv wheelbase can effect sway as well.
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Old 11-02-2010, 08:00 PM   #3
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i would recommend a good WDH with built-in sway control, such as the two most popular: the Equal-i-zer or Reese Dual-Cam.

either should be able to handle this model.
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Old 11-02-2010, 08:12 PM   #4
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I just looked up the SV264 and at 28'6" and your wheelbase of 145" should be no problem with one of the hitches that bikendan recommended.

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Equal-i-zer or Reese Dual-Cam

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Old 11-02-2010, 10:28 PM   #6
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Thanks for the responses. I am still hoping to hear from someone with specific experience with a rear kitchen trailer. As for WD, the dealer is suggesting "E-Z Lift Head and Bars" for WD. I have never owned a WD system so again I seek counsel from those who may be familiar with this brand. In the meanwhile i am pretty excited about the 264, even though I have not yet seen one up close. The dealer I am negotiating with is 500km away. I know, I know... but i can't find one closer, its a long story.
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I can let you know after saturday. The one I'm picking up is a rear kitchen model and I will be towing it about 125 miles home.

A couple of differences though, my listed dry weight is just under 7100 lbs with a hitch weight of 953 lbs, approx 13.5%. Of course weighing the trailer would give more acurate weights. Secondly, I'll be towing it back empty.

So I'm not too sure if my experience will help you any. Hopefully someone on here who has experience towing a loaded rear kitchen model will help.

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Towed our previous camper, a Rockwood 2605 rear kitchen layout, using a Equal-i-zer hitch. Didn't have any sway issues. As already mentioned, insufficient tongue weight is the biggest factor in sway...stay at the 10 - 15% hitch weight of total with a intergrated WD/sway control hitch and you're good to go.

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Old 11-02-2010, 11:23 PM   #9
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I don't know why you are fixated on the rear kitchen. It seems that somehow you have concluded that the distribution of the weight of the trailer is impacted by that layout. Look at the weight of the trailer. Look at the weight of the tongue. Are you thinking that most of the "add-on" weight will go to the rear? I would doubt it. All of your clothes etc will be in the front; your food in the back. Your F150 with a good WD/anti-sway setup should make for a great combination. I would be surprised if you exceed 6,000 pounds.
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Old 11-03-2010, 12:18 AM   #10
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My wife would agree with your choice of word "fixated" acadianbob, yea that can be me sometimes. The best way to explain the difference I foresee in the handling of a RK is that most of the other plans we are comparing it to are rear Bath. So, in the rearmost 4 feet or so of the rear bath model there is an empty shower stall and a plastic loo. Most of the heavyweight permanent Kitchen stuff is amidships, right over the axles where i like it. The rear kitchen, on the other hand, has the heavy kitchen appliances (I suspect a full fridge is the single heaviest item in the trailer) not to mention the hot water tank, also rearmost. And the rear kitchen has a lot of cupboards so i am sure mama will want to fill them with canned goods, maple syrup, dishes and pots, and probably some tetrapacks of australian wine. And why not? Thats what cupboards are for and why mum likes the kitchen layout functionally. But papa has to tow it. And i don't see much discretionary weight. Maybe I can relocate the wine.

So, I just know in my bones the RK WILL handle differently from the rear bath and possibly significantly. I am just trying to learn from others who have an RK to what extent, and whether it is a good trade off for someone like me who is fussy how things operate. I do plan to take a test drive, but once mama has seen it, it could be hard to back out.
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