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Old 10-23-2015, 01:56 PM   #1
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The TV Debate

I must say I do get enjoyment out of reading the Diesel Vs Gas threads and the funny thing is the justification of each in everyone’s mind. Most of us who buy new trucks at least like some of the creature comforts offered. I don’t believe there are many campers out there buying stripped down work trucks to tow there trailer’s. Cost seems to be a driving force in the gas vs diesel debate with the diesel being 8K to 10k more than a gas counterpart throw in the higher maintenance cost and the people on that side of the fence won’t go diesel because there is a gas engine out there that can handle their specific requirements then of course you have the diehard diesel folks that wouldn’t consider a gasser even if could fulfill their requirements.

I started looking for a new TV when mine was stolen in August and I guess I was looking at some justification of to what I wanted to replace it with I saw an F150 Ford Eco Boost at the local Ford dealer and it stickered close to 64K and I thought to myself who buys a half ton truck that loaded up ? Mmmmmmm ok then I went to the local Dodge dealer and saw a Dodge 2500 Limited for almost 78K and the same thing went thru my mind. I know they discount MSRP but both sales guys said you would be amazed how many people buy the higher end trucks I couldn’t justify it but from the sounds of it there are quite a few that can. Oh and the Chevy dealer had a new Z06 Corvette that listed for 128K it seats two people and I don’t believe it can tow anything somehow Mmmm I thought to myself wow I do like that and who cares what anyone thinks.

So I guess my point of the thread is we all to some degree try to rationalize things and then there are some things that you just do because you want to and someone may look and say that’s dumb or that is stupid or I’d never do that and that is what is so great about being an individual with a voice. Long live the diesel and gas debate
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Old 10-23-2015, 02:21 PM   #2
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Great point of view.
Our arguments for our "needs" are often simply the rationalization of our "wants".
Admitting that is actually quite liberating!

Me being in the 5000 lbs loaded range, I only get into that debate to stir the pot.
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Old 10-23-2015, 02:38 PM   #3
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Ford it is about 8,500.00 options going from gas to diesel. I trade trucks every 3 or 4 years so this how can I justify diesel. I usually get my truck in late in the model year and get 15% or more off including incentives off the MSRP. So if you figure 15% off of the 8500 diesel option this come to 1275 off the 8500 which means I pay 7,225.00 for the diesel option. Checking the NADA used truck site for 2012 F350 gas I found that the diesel options adds 8,200 to the retail price of the my truck. Even going back to 2000 it still adds over 3000 to the price of the truck.
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I guess I'm on the other end of the spectrum. I'm the guy that bought the "stripped down" work truck. Standard cab, 8' bed. Have to use the key to open the doors (no clicker), hand crank windows, even came with an AM only radio. But I got a brand new 2500HD, 6.0 with 6 speed, factory tow package with a 3500 pound payload for $28K out the door. I put in a nice stereo system, top of the line Garmin nav and I'm good to go. The truck is a dedicated TV that gets driven 5K - 6K a year. Do I miss some of the bells and whistles, sure sometimes. Do I miss the hit in the wallet, no all the time.

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Old 10-23-2015, 03:42 PM   #5
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I have been saying for years...how do you justify spending that much on a pick-up truck...yet people do.

I got one better than that...how do people pay 75-100k for a TT to use occasionally. Makes no sense.

I will give you a cookie. I pay almost $175 a month for my direct tv service. No PPV and no sports crap. It is their premium ultra deal...we love movies. So we have all the premium channels. Is it worth it...I dunno. It's expensive...but we don't go out.


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Old 10-23-2015, 03:53 PM   #6
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I’m one of those that bought a work truck, it doesn’t even have carpeting. However, it is a diesel. For me going diesel was a “no brainer.” The towing power, especially up mountain grades, is awesome. Also I can use the truck pumps to fuel up at the travel plazas which make it easy to get in and out of fuel stations. While the diesel option on a new truck is expensive, you also have a higher resale value when you get rid of it. If I were to buy a new truck today I’d go with a work truck again. A brand new Ford XL diesel with some options can be had for around $51,000.
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I didn't have a choice. For my 5th's weight, it had to be a diesel. Sometimes it's nice to have some decisions taken out of your hands. Then just concentrate of how opulent to make the truck. Lariat was the highest I could go with a SC.
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We bought our ECO pre owned with three thousand miles on it, and saved allot of $ ! It is what we we wanted / needed, and this gasser is perfect for our combo here in the S/E part of the country.
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I have a book at home by Bob Lutz about the bean counters vs the car guys.

His point, and I think he is way more right than wrong, is that we buy cars based on an emotional response and not from a numbers perspective. His view was the accountants and spreadsheet guys about killed Detroit until the Car Guys came back to power and started building cars that appealed to the emotional side. Selling cool cars.

I have no doubt that trucks are no different albeit with a baseline of capability added. But once you meet that baseline... it is all emotional response.
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Ford it is about 8,500.00 options going from gas to diesel. I trade trucks every 3 or 4 years so this how can I justify diesel. I usually get my truck in late in the model year and get 15% or more off including incentives off the MSRP. So if you figure 15% off of the 8500 diesel option this come to 1275 off the 8500 which means I pay 7,225.00 for the diesel option. Checking the NADA used truck site for 2012 F350 gas I found that the diesel options adds 8,200 to the retail price of the my truck. Even going back to 2000 it still adds over 3000 to the price of the truck.
Well that's diesel to diesel same goes for gas at least at the dealer I work with I also trade every 4 years. Later RJD
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