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Old 06-05-2013, 02:05 PM   #111
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I agree. I'd much rather be on the road with someone dragging their RV with a 500# overloaded truck at 60 as opposed to one running 500# under at 70.
What about someone that is over and running 75? I just wanted to post something because some said earlier that we should have our trucks in our siggy and yes I've been known to run 75 when the time called for it to be safer than running 65. He!! I've been over 85 loaded.
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Old 06-05-2013, 02:07 PM   #112
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...Integrity can not be taught; you either have it or you don't...
Have to disagree with this Lou, I believe integrity is taught by your parents and their setting the example and the individual then makes the decision to either be a person of integrity or something else.

Otherwise, I agree with everything you stated. As for the TQM, we saw it fail a lot when dealing with some suppliers to Lockheed Martin. That was one of my tasks to visit and audit suppliers QA systems giving them only a weeks notice. Not enough time to "fix the records". They soon found out what a major hit in the purse it was when they lost their integrity and were left with 1/2-1 million in product not suitable for shipping due to 'doctored records'.
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What about someone that is over and running 75? I just wanted to post something because some said earlier that we should have our trucks in our siggy and yes I've been known to run 75 when the time called for it to be safer than running 65. He!! I've been over 85 loaded.
Don't know of anytime towing/driving an rv when it is safer at 75 or over 85 than it is at 60-65. Over 70 is questionable, over 85 is insanity.
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So you need to set the parameters as to what is dangerous. 5# over the lawyer's sticker, 10#, 100#, 200? Where is the danger, truck frame breaking? Let's establish what the danger is to others by disregarding a lawyer sticker.
Everyone, including owners of the big trucks, needs to be cognizant that when pulling any rv or driving an rv that they cannot stop like a regular vehicle and should drive accordingly trying to anticipate any situation that would require stopping. In my opinion those pulling or driving an rv 75+ are the ones putting others in danger more than someone 300# over a lawyer sticker. JMO.
Well for one Breaking ability. 3/4ton and 1 ton trucks have bigger disc breaks. This is fact despite what Toyota says.

Frame Strength. 3/4 - 1 ton frames are stronger.

Bolts alone in suspension parts are also bigger.

Front Suspension is also of beefier quality and stiffer which helps for swerving out of dangers.

All of the above will come into play when you have to break a quicker stop, swerve out of the way of oncoming dangers, the ability to keep a larger heavier trailer going straight.

Not to mention 3/4-1 ton trucks have full floating axles which will keep your tires on if your rear axle breaks.

And just because one may drive safe with their overloaded truck/trailer combo doesn't mean the unexpected can't happen.
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Old 06-05-2013, 02:29 PM   #115
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...And just because one may drive safe with their overloaded truck/trailer combo doesn't mean the unexpected can't happen.
As the unexpected can also happen to 3/4T trucks up to and including Macks, Peterbilts, Freightliners, trains & planes. Life itself is a gamble. So we just have to each go our separate ways and suffer the consequences of our decisions. Bottom line, enjoy your rig and camping. Life is too short anyway.
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I always appreciate your insight, but I have to ask for clarification here. Surely you aren't meaning to equate legality with integrity. If that is the case we could discuss Nazi Germany or Communist China. I'd also like to point out that, to my knowledge, there is no federal law requiring motorists to abide by a light truck's published ratings. In some areas this may be the case, but one might be legal in one state or city and illegal in the next. I happen to think it is "unfair", for lack of a better word, to judge one's integrity by whether or not one is able to follow 100% to a tee the convoluted web of laws one might encounter when traveling. This speaks not only to weight but also length, speed, and....etc. I do agree that a person with integrity will attempt to obey laws as long as there is no objection of conscience. But I find it a stretch to apply that same litmus test to a sticker on the door of a truck that assumes a host of unknown values to be able to arrive at it's published rating in the first place.
Well said, Dustman.
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Sorry about that- If it works for you and you feel safe doing so then go for it. Its really about a matter of personal choice. I am pretty conservative when it comes to safety issues especially with my family. I agree with others here...and have made a few comments about some of the excessive speeds I have seen fellow RV'ers travel at. It really really bothers me when I see these things with kids bikes hanging off the back. Towing overloaded and being cautious I would assume is much safer than being in specs with a 35' TT at 75MPH behind a Tahoe.
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Surely you aren't meaning to equate legality with integrity. ... I do agree that a person with integrity will attempt to obey laws as long as there is no objection of conscience.
Integrity is doing what is right when no one is looking. A person who obeys the law and follows the rules (I agree - provided it is not a matter of conscience - I am a signature member of Oath Keepers) has integrity.

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Sorry about that- If it works for you and you feel safe doing so then go for it. Its really about a matter of personal choice. I am pretty conservative when it comes to safety issues especially with my family. I agree with others here...and have made a few comments about some of the excessive speeds I have seen fellow RV'ers travel at. It really really bothers me when I see these things with kids bikes hanging off the back. Towing overloaded and being cautious I would assume is much safer than being in specs with a 35' TT at 75MPH behind a Tahoe.
Yes. Excessive speed with a big load is the height of irresponsibility and a danger to everyone.
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The only time I have a "Big Load On" is about 2 hours after I finish setting up and there are 15 Bud Light Cans in the Barrel. It's tough talking to the 1/2 Ton Fun Visitors then.
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