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Old 09-30-2016, 08:57 AM   #51
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One thing I do need to make clear is that while DOT regulations state without exception that all new tires be balance point marked, when you buy a set of or one tire, the mark may bot be visible...

The mark was placed on the carcass sidewall at the factory but the mark is made in a contrasting ink, usually white in the case of consumer tires, however, it can get rubbed off in handing.

Tires are shipped via commercial carrier (like the one I work for) in dry vans, stacked inside, on their sidewalls. The sidewalls rub together in transit, then get rubbed again when offloaded, rubbed again when racked and rubbed again when shipped to a retail dealer and rubbed again when installed. All that rubbing sometimes renders the balance mark illegible. Why raised white letter sidewalls have the blue contact film applied, so they don't get scuffed in transit.

There is nothing protective on the balance mark, in fact, when I mount a tire personally (I mount all my own tires, I own a Coats tire machine and balancer stand, I take a paint marker and mark the balance point because just washing a sidewall will remove it.

The regulations don't state what has to be used for the mark (usually a circle or dot in white), only that they have to be marked when leaving the OEM.
Please, I'm still waiting for the CFR (code of federal regulation), which is the basis for Federal regulations. I have done a few searches on ecfr and can find no federal "requirement." So, if stating there is a Federal requirement, a person usually has access to the codes, thus the statute that pertains to this code.
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Old 10-08-2016, 07:21 AM   #52
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Please, I'm still waiting for the CFR (code of federal regulation), which is the basis for Federal regulations. I have done a few searches on ecfr and can find no federal "requirement." So, if stating there is a Federal requirement, a person usually has access to the codes, thus the statute that pertains to this code.
This is just one of those situations where it was 'thought' something was one way, but it wasn't. I have been in touch with the member, and it's been verified that there is no such federal regulation concerning balance/hi point marks on either commercial or passenger tires.
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Old 10-08-2016, 08:12 AM   #53
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This is just one of those situations where it was 'thought' something was one way, but it wasn't. I have been in touch with the member, and it's been verified that there is no such federal regulation concerning balance/hi point marks on either commercial or passenger tires.
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OK then. Back to the original?? What's the red/white dot mean.
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OK then. Back to the original?? What's the red/white dot mean.
That's not the original question, but Airdale did provide this answer in the link in his post #34.
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That's not the original question, but Airdale did provide this answer in the link in his post #34.
Original, in this case meant to be the dot. I did read the referenced and all I got from that was the dot may or may not indicate balance point or position reference or whatever. There is no specific rule about the use of the dot.

Best I can come up with is when you see the dot it definitely means someone put a dot on the tire.
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Sidecar. I have never been charged a balance charge when i get new tires why bother balancing them if they are marked seems a waste of time. When i bought my "new" Ram it has weights on it from the factory maybe you should point this out to them think of all the time and material they would save.
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Sidecar. I have never been charged a balance charge when i get new tires why bother balancing them if they are marked seems a waste of time. When i bought my "new" Ram it has weights on it from the factory maybe you should point this out to them think of all the time and material they would save.
Pretty sure it's a rare thing to find a set of perfectly balanced wheels.
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