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Old 08-11-2012, 05:21 PM   #21
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And if you are pulling with an Ecoboost with max tow, it really isn't a 1/2 ton anyway!
Yes, current Truck classifications are rather obsolete. My payload capacity in my F150 is 2,493lbs!
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Old 08-11-2012, 09:49 PM   #22
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Had 2 trailers 23 and 29' Now a 33' mid range 5th wheel and would never step back. The ceiling height makes a tt feel claustraphobic. Most of the time I forget the 5th wheel is behind me whereas I always knew the tt was behind us and always nervous towing. Had to take some drastic defensive driving manouvers with the 5th and it swerved superbly with me staying in control. I know the tt would have lbe a write off with those manouvers
minimum 3/4 ton is definitely recommended for all modern 5th wheels
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Old 08-12-2012, 09:58 AM   #23
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Yes, current Truck classifications are rather obsolete. My payload capacity in my F150 is 2,493lbs!

sae standards will be changing either in 13 or 14 as they all will meet a standard testing for weight/tow capacity. will be interesting to see which of the truck manufacturers are close to what they advertise.

kind of like the horsepower wars in late 60's/early 70's when they went to a standard test and horsepower dropped like a stone.
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Old 08-12-2012, 12:21 PM   #24
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Well, you're asking a subjective question and you know that so take this for what it's worth.

Which one "pulls nicer".

I've towed both and in the strict confines of this question; neither.

A properly set up TT with a good WD hitch and sway control pulls the same as a 5th wheel for me.

My 35 foot TT crossed the entire continent with nary a twitch or wiggle. Side roads, interstates, tractor trailer passes, etc. Not a moment of white knuckle or even knowing it was back there.

Not ice I said "properly set up".

Where the two differ is in convenience. Both in hooking up and anything beside straight forward driving.

With a 5th, you back it into the foot and pull away (a bit oversimplified, but you get the idea). With a WD hitch it's line it up, latch, bars/chains, and pull away. Depending on you particular sway control, there can be a couple raise and lower the toungue to hook up the bars.

Backing up is pretty much the same. 5th - chuck the truck in reverse and back it in. Most WD hitches say you can back up, but the reality is pull up, unhook bars and then back in. If the rig isn't level or straight when you're done with a WD hitch, you're pretty much not getting the bars off or they're spring loaded to the point of dangerous.

Some say yo can cut a 5th tighter than a TT, but I credit this more to the driver than the hitch. I've backed my TT into spots guys couldn't go with a 5th and watched their mouths drop.

a 5th is overall shorter than a TT once hooked up, but you're got something like 6 feet up over the bed and now tongue length. No surprise there.

I've towed both, I prefer a TT.

But they both will pull fine once set up properly.

a 5th is just a bit more........ahem....."idiot proof"......than a TT when it comes to proper setup.

No offense intended to any of the guys out there that choose to "take the 5th".

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Old 08-12-2012, 01:07 PM   #25
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Great reply great white! This is virtually the same response as a guy on the F150 forum with more than 50 years of towing. With a good quality and properly adjusted WDH towing a bigger TT is no problem. Cool on the driver experience re backing up and parking!
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Old 08-12-2012, 01:33 PM   #26
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I've pulled both, owned both but have to agree it comes down to personal preference & budget. After years, I tend to go more in the 5er direction as it never sways, hitch is always right on, & when we arrive, 20-25 minutes later we are ready to drive away, never have to unload the truck bed first. Never had a cover or topper til this year. If we hadn't taken delivery 2000 mile from home we still probably wouldn't have one now. I've been going at this RV thing for about 40 years now and still believe its your personal preference & whatever your budget can stand.
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Old 08-13-2012, 10:52 AM   #27
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I have 2 friends who have 5'ers and I get a kick out of them when we ask them to go camping with us. The first thing they always ask is if the CG has pull through spots. They hate backing them for some reason. Probably lack of practice. No problems backing my TT.
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Old 08-13-2012, 11:02 AM   #28
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I have 2 friends who have 5'ers and I get a kick out of them when we ask them to go camping with us. The first thing they always ask is if the CG has pull through spots. They hate backing them for some reason. Probably lack of practice. No problems backing my TT.

The point I got from this is that your friends can't backup with a fifth wheel. Nothing to do with the unit. I didn't notice any difference in backing either a TT or a FW.
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Old 08-13-2012, 04:14 PM   #29
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I have 2 friends who have 5'ers and I get a kick out of them when we ask them to go camping with us. The first thing they always ask is if the CG has pull through spots. They hate backing them for some reason. Probably lack of practice. No problems backing my TT.

I'd say you friends need to hook up on some weekend and head to an empty parking lot for a couple hours of practice....
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Old 08-13-2012, 04:24 PM   #30
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I'd say you friends need to hook up on some weekend and head to an empty parking lot for a couple hours of practice....
I agree they do, that's why I laugh because they would rather camp somewhere that has pull thru's instead of practice backing. I've never backed a 5'er, so I can't say if it's harder, easier or the same as a TT.
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