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Old 08-29-2016, 11:10 AM   #1
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Too much to tow?

My husband and I are newbies. Well actually we haven't purchased yet. We have owned both a bumper pull and gooseneck horse trailer. We far preferred trailering the gooseneck. So based on that we're leaning to entering the RV world with a used 5th wheel. We haven't purchase our towing vehicle yet. We like the Toyota product reliability but are aware that is has a limited towing capacity (10,400). The used trailer that we're looking at states unloaded weight is 8546 and GVWR 11,176. Is that cutting it too close?

I know these type of purchasing mistakes can be costly! Thanks for your assistance.

Are there any reviews out there regarding the reliability of the F250 vs the Ram 2500, etc?

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Old 08-29-2016, 11:17 AM   #2
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Welcome! The question you have asked is a hot button topic around this forum. With any 1/2 ton no matter what brand, the Payload capacity is going to be the limiting factor. Do you have these numbers? Payload for the truck and the pin weight of the trailer? This is the real drawback to a 5th wheel and 1/2 ton combo...It can be done and there are others who do so without incident and are within the specs. My gut is saying you are looking at a 3/4 truck. Plenty of info on the Ford vs Ram. I honesty you cant really go wrong with any of the big three's offering in 3/4 gas or diesel. Good luck!

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Old 08-29-2016, 11:38 AM   #3
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I agree with ryand. For a 5er that has a sticker saying unloaded weight is 8546# the actual weight when you've loaded it ready to camp will likely be more than 9500#. The pin weight on a 5er is generally 15-20% which will be in the range of 1500 to 2000#. That doesn't account for the weight of the hitch in the bed nor the occupants and gear in the truck.

You can order a 1/2 ton spec'd to handle it (you won't find one suitable equipped on a dealer's lot) but you're really in 3/4 ton territory.

Like you, I really like Toyotas but IMO the Tundra is overpriced compared to the big 3's offerings in the pickup truck market and the Tundra has common 1/2 ton payload specs. As you go up in trim level, the available payload goes down.

I just upgraded to a 3/4 ton because I was over my truck's 7200# GVWR by 600# pulling my 7300# (loaded) travel trailer with a family of 5 onboard.
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Old 08-29-2016, 11:45 AM   #4
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I have a Toyota Tundra and the limiting factor is the payload capacity which in only 1700lbs. This figure includes all passengers, cargo and the weight of the trailer. With the 8500lb 5er your looking at, you've already got about 1200lbs of trailer weight before you even begin loading it with stuff.

I love my Tundra and it works great for my trailer but you really need to look at a 3/4 ton truck at least for what you are planning to buy.

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Old 08-29-2016, 11:45 AM   #5
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Hello from me as well. Please do check the payload specs(yellow sticker on door post) on your tow vehicle. My old 2005 Dodge 2500 4DR 4x4 diesel... it will tow anything right? Everybody knows that. WRONG
I have a 2065 lb payload capacity... not even a medium sized 5th wheel capacity. So do you tow illegally or get a bigger truck or get a TT? I chose the option of a lighter 5er. No truck payment and within limits.

I looked at a 2012 Ford equal to mine(as close as a Ford gets HA HA) and it had a 2001 lb capacity with a factory 5th wheel system. What a shame.

If you choose a 3/4T and want more cargo then the gasser is a better payload capacity. Towing? but legal capacity
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Old 08-29-2016, 12:05 PM   #6
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Short answer ~~ YES it is too much for a 1/2 ton. On the verge of too much for a 3/4 diesel. Might be OK with a 3/4 gasser. Any 1 ton would be good, give you room to grow as well.
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Don't forget to include the weight of your TV fuel, at about 8# per gallon.
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Old 08-29-2016, 02:04 PM   #9
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Dear itat,
I'm the proud owner of a 2010 Toyota Tundra 5.7L with tow package.
I agree with your assessment of the payload but not your assessment of
Toyota's being overpriced. I never buy new & I know from past Toyota's I'll
get 15 years out of the vehicle.
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Too much to tow

I also love Toyota for reliability, but I agree that you need 3/4 ton at least and should go to 1 ton.

I have owned Tacoma's and a Tundra and now I have a 2008 Sequoia (5.7L V8).
It has the Tundra body and drive train and I tow a 27 foot Stealth SS22-16 toy hauler. (5200lb dry weight, max 9200lbs.)
It has plenty of power and is rated to tow 9600lbs.
On my recent Alaska trip I got average of 9.1 MPG over 11,000 miles.
The trailer loaded was about 7300 lbs.

All that said... I am selling both and buying a 1 ton truck (350) with diesel engine. I am reluctantly being pulled into the diesel world kicking and screaming and will be forced to buy a Ford or Chevy or Dodge and will just have to put at least $1000 in repairs in my budget per year to keep them running.
I had a Dodge RAM350 1989 15 passenger maxi van that i loved, but I had to spend average of $1000 per year to keep it running.
I know the big 3 have been working of reliability and I hope they can at least come close to Toyota reliability now.


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