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Old 02-09-2015, 09:36 AM   #11
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There may be no such thing as too much truck, kind of like a girl too pretty and having too much money.
Therefore, the OP needs to be in the commercial section of the dealer looking at the 4500 trucks with the Cummins.
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Old 02-09-2015, 09:53 AM   #12
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All pay load numbers assume 150lbs for the driver. So you can add 150lbs to that if it helps.

But if you end up with a Ram 1500. Look at the Eco Diesel, awesome engines.
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Old 02-09-2015, 09:58 AM   #13
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There may be no such thing as too much truck, kind of like a girl too pretty and having too much money.
Yes, but Having that truck and the Prettiest DW in the campground would cause many people to hate me out of sheer jealousy.
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Old 02-09-2015, 08:36 PM   #14
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Yes, but Having that truck and the Prettiest DW in the campground would cause many people to hate me out of sheer jealousy.

Maybe it's just me but I'd be OK with that :-)


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Old 02-10-2015, 11:11 AM   #16
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You're pulling a MicroLite!!!! The 1500 will do just fine. Worst case scenario, you add bags like someone else stated. Expect to lose ~ 5 or 6mpg combined (non-towing) going with the 6.4 in a 3/4 ton. Compare gear ratios with the 5.7 and make sure you are getting "towing gears" and not "highway gears." With the newer 6 and 8 speed trannys, gear ratio isn't AS critical as the old 3 and 4 speed days, but it does still help to have a numerically higher gear ratio with naturally aspirated engines that need higher RPM to produce power.
payload = 550 for passengers
675 = tongue weight (15% of 4500) 2 batteries/ full propane
=1225

things not added, we want a camper shell, Generator, gas can, tools, firewood and of course the cooler full of beer

most 1500 Ram Crew cabs only have payloads of 1440 and 1500. Hence the question about the 2500. At this point, I am wondering how people pull anything bigger with a 1/2 ton truck
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Old 02-10-2015, 11:58 AM   #17
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Just fyi. The newer 2500 rams also have the coil spring setup.
Correct......you have to go with the Ram 3500 to get leaf springs.

I had a Ram salesman state "look at train cars, they run coil springs". I said "yeah, but there are 3 per corner, they are massive, and a train runs on a smooth surface". I then reminded him that most tractor trailers run leaf springs.

It is had to "stage" coil springs for extra weight.
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At this point, I am wondering how people pull anything bigger with a 1/2 ton truck

Simple...by not caring or sometimes even knowing about the ratings. Or even worse, by trusting their salesman.
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I would not worry about having too much truck in this situation. It will come down to weights and mileage that fits your set up. If you need the extra payload that the 2500 provides go with it, if you do not need the extra pounds then an air bag system may work with a half ton chassis.

Look at the price for bags and gas mileage difference and add that into this equation to see if it justifies the 3k more for the 2500.

For me personally I would rather have more truck then I need. Reason being I started out in an old Taurus/Terry trailer that was first pulled with a half ton. One one trip I was with my wife's dad who had a 2500 diesel and we pulled the trailer with that. I got a newer truck because I tow in the mountains and the half ton was sluggish compared to the 2500 of my father in laws, and I did not like the way it felt in general with the half ton. So I towed my old trailer with the newer truck (2006 2500 5.9 diesel). I towed this way for a few years and then my wife and I decided to get a newer truck because the 06 was starting to have some major issues we did not want to address. We then got a 2012 Dodge 2500 6.7 diesel and it towed like a dream, so much power compared to my older truck. Now we just upgraded to a new TT. We got the EVO 2850, the new TT is a little heavier and the tanks are twice the size. The EVOs are advertised as half ton towable but that doesn't tell the whole story. Once all of the weight is added to the TT it gets a little much for half tons (in my opinion).

Longer story kinda short, the 2500 chassis puts a safety factor in there for my personal liking, by going with the 2500 I do not even think twice about weights, I do not have to meticulously pack becasue I know the 2500 will handle the trailer loaded to its max and still carry the normal truck bed gear we carry. Some may say I do not need it but I have a sway control and WD hitch to further ease my mind about weights and loads.

Also as others have said you get a truck that fits your future needs as well. Buying a bigger truck now will set you up for upgrades in the future. If you go to a bigger trailer down the road you will only need to upgrade the TT instead of both the TT and TV. This factored into my thinking in getting another TV as well. Just some thoughts, my motto is I would rather be overkill than not having enough TV, my piece of mind and my families safety are the priorities on my list and I never want to be holding the short end of the stick in terms of safety, engine power and stopping while towing.
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Simple...by not caring or sometimes even knowing about the ratings. Or even worse, by trusting their salesman.
Or maybe they know those ratings are pulled from someone's orifice? A 1/2 ton truck can only carry the same load as a Honda minivan? Yeah, right.
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