tow a 266RLDS - SURVEYOR with Toyota Tundra

[halp]

I'm looking at a 266RLDS - SURVEYOR ..dry weight 6089 lbs and a hitch weight at 778 lbs with a Toyota Tundra. After figuring my cargo capacity with passengers and equipment, this leaves my cargo capacity at 1100 lbs and tongue capacity is 1000 lbs. What do you think?

[bikendan]

You're making one of the top 3 newbie mistakes. Using fictional dry weights.
Brochure/website dry weights are for a stripped-down version of the trailer. NO trailer weighs its brochure dry weight when it arrives at the dealer.
Loaded for camping, the actual tongue weight could easily be 1000lbs. After you add the weights of batteries, options, dealer add-ons, water and cargo, your trailer will weigh WAY more than 6089lbs.

What is your Tundra's payload capacity?

[halp]

1660 lbs After passengers, WDH and equipment I have about 1000 lbs lift

[HONDAMAN174]

That’s a negative ghost rider. Your cargo capacity of the truck is on the tire sticker in the door jamb and only includes full of fuel and driver. Most tundras are 1600 or less. My crewmax is 1300

[clarkbre]

Originally Posted by HONDAMAN174

That’s a negative ghost rider. Your cargo capacity of the truck is on the tire sticker in the door jamb and only includes full of fuel and driver. Most tundras are 1600 or less. My crewmax is 1300

Payload has been covered multiple times. The yellow sticker # does NOT include the driver.

If your yellow sticker says 1300, the truck can carry 1300 lbs of a driver, passengers, cargo in the cab and the bed and weight on the hitch.

I agree with others, the Tundra is likely not enough truck for that trailer. Having experience towing a similar size and weight trailer with an F150, it was maxed out and sketchy at times. A 3/4 ton would be a better option for that specific trailer.

My detailed advice is lined out in the OP's other thread in the Surveyor section: Pull Surveyor 33KRLOK with Toyota Tundra?

[HONDAMAN174]

[QUOTE=clarkbre;2020238]Payload has been covered multiple times. The yellow sticker # does NOT include the driver.



If your yellow sticker says 1300, the truck can carry 1300 lbs of a driver, passengers, cargo in the cab and the bed and weight on the hitch.



My mistake- thanks for the reminder.

[awellis3]

Originally Posted by halp

What do you think?

I think you'll do just fine. (see signature)

[Dirt Sifter]

[ What do you think?[/QUOTE]


My experience towing a 30'11" Cougar with our Tundra 5.7 L, double cab, long bed, tow package was all good - once I got an Equalizer 4 wdh. The non-stabilizing type wdh was not adequate here! Ended up with a couple hundred more pounds in the TV than the sticker liked, but no issues on our 4K mile trip over Rockies, across the SW, and back. We did not fill the fresh water tank on the TT. You otta be fine.

[Tundra 2014]

I pulled a similar trailer w/ a heavier hitch weight for 2 years. I f you have the 5.5' bed, I found adding the bump stops w/ Timbron stops eliminated the squatting and improved the towing a lot. These are not noticed in regular driving. Using Equalizer WDH. We towed over 5K miles a year. Only time it was really uncomfortable was in heavy cross wind. Your are going to be close on your cargo weight when fully loaded. Recently, we had ours weighted at a Ecapee weight scale that gives weight @ each wheel. We were right at or slightly over on rear wheels and hitch weight. FR said #720 and actual loaded is #960. Looking @ 1 tons for this year to go to a 5 th. wheel next year.

[slipf18]

....besides the potential overload issue, something else to consider....once you get it going, how do you stop it...thats a bunch of weight for the Tundra to control in an emergency braking situation...also, even if your engine and suspension can just about handle the load, think about what your transmission is having to deal with...can it handle it, as well??

[Dirt Sifter]

slipf18, good point to consider always and glad you mentioned it. I was really impressed with the brakes on the Cougar and how they worked with the Tundra and Prodigy controller. The mechanical equipment worked well and we motored on, hands shaking.

[CurtPutnam]

I had to trade my 2014 Tundra to safely tow our trailer (in sig). Your Tundra probably started with a 1500 lb payload. Lost 100 lbs to bed liner and nerf bars. My max tongue weight was possibly 1350lbs. That meant if we put fuel and/or passengers in the truck, we were overweight. Also put the hitch receiver overweight.

Take 15% of your trailer's GVWR and subtract that result from 1500 lbs (or your sticker number - whichever is less). That result is the max payload left and that includes all people on board, all gear, fuel, WDH, etc.

We tried every possible scenario to make the Tundra/Sonoma combination work safely. Could not be done. So now we have a 3/4 ton Chevy which is every bit as nice as the Tundra,

[hinkle_e]

I have a 2017 Tundra 1794 crewmax and a '19 cruiser Radiance 26bh. As advertised, its 33' long, 800# tongue, 9600 gross. Tundra pulls it like its not there. To help it out, I added sumo springs to eliminate the squat and have a blue ox sway pro wdh...well worth the money for both.

[HONDAMAN174]

So...a few of us are towing about the same size of unit with our Tundras. I too added sumo springs and yes it helped keeping level and improved the ride on rough highways.

[moose074]

Same here I bought my Tundra out of Spite heard it had tow capacity for my north trail made the deal later only to realize I should have looked at the payload sticker mt I was maxed out but we loaded up drove West Texas to Oregon crater lake Lake Tahoe and back only “ white knuckle “ experience was going over Pat Tillman bridge during high wind. As for braking the ratio of truck weight vs trl weight was less than my last two 1 ton pulling the 5th wheel and since truck is heavier as well physics says the lighter vehicles should stop in a shorter distance

[Tundra 2014]

I also have a TRD sway bar on mine along w/ 5100 Biltsiens, TRD brakes and Timbrons. As others have said fine on flat ground, but going into hills or high winds, not pleasant. I hate to switch trucks, second Tundra I have had and both have had nothing but regular maintaince in 150K combined. It was great but, 1350 cargo cap and a nose heavy 2715 V-Lite Flagstaff too much to enjoy towing.

[kollinr]

'07 Tundra with a Wildcat 24RG. Definitely over payload but under tow capacity. Have Timbrens and this thing tows like a freight train, but I can watch the gas gauge drop. Pulling over My. Hood I have to constantly back of the gas because she just want to climb.

I bought this trailer knowing the truck could physically handle it but I do have intentions of buying a 3/4 ton diesel, once the trailer is paid off, just for the better fuel economy, the fact that it has a cargo capacity of 4422 lbs and I just want one.

You would probably be about in the same boat I am regarding approximate weights. Just because it can be done doesn't necessarily mean it should be. With the tundra it's definitely not uncomfortable. Maybe with some other half ton trucks it would be and I wouldn't try it but the Tundra will get me by.

[itat]

halp, everyone is talking about the sticker payload number but you need to take your Tundra to a scale (preferably a CAT scale with separate platforms for each axle) with a full tank of fuel and the family on board to see what you really have available. That scaled weight will account for any add-ons and mods you've done to the truck that add weight. Take the GVWR and subtract the scaled weight to see what you have available. The WDH will be around 75#.

As other said, the brochure dry weight for a trailer is not a reliable number for real world, "loaded and ready to go camping" weight. You should use the Surveyor's GVWR of about 7800# (or at least assume you'll be 1000# heavier than the "dry weight") and assume a tongue weight based on the percentage from the brochure numbers (778#/6089# = 13%).

So, based on the GVWR, the tongue would be around 7800# x .13 = 1014#. Based on the dry weight plus 1000#, the tongue weight would be 7089# x .13 = 921#. That gives you a range to compare to your actual available payload based on the scaled weight.

The Tundra's 5.7L engine will pull a lot of weight but the first sepc to be compromised is the GVWR, then the rear axle's weight rating. Since you are asking, we are assuming that you do want to stay under the Tundra's GVWR.

[bikendan]

Agree that weighing at a CAT scale is the best way.
But the payload sticker is still a easy place to start, for a general idea of what you have to work with.
My nearest CAT scale is 50 miles away.
That's why I bought a Sherline tongue scale.

[clarkbre]

Originally Posted by bikendan

......My nearest CAT scale is 50 miles away.......

Even closer than that!

Was driving up to Skagit last weekend and saw that they now have a CAT scale at the Pilot in Arlington off I-5 exit 208.

I will be visiting there shortly!