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Old 03-10-2014, 12:46 PM   #1
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Tow Capacity - Toyota 4.7L

I have an extra cab, 2 wheel drive, older Toyota Tundra with no tow package and a 7200 lb tow capacity. I am interested in purchasing a 23', 6200 lb GRVW trailer. Does anyone have a similar set up? I'm trying to see how well it will pull the trailer. Am I going to get up a hill with it?
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Old 03-10-2014, 01:08 PM   #2
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I have an extra cab, 2 wheel drive, older Toyota Tundra with no tow package and a 7200 lb tow capacity. I am interested in purchasing a 23', 6200 lb GRVW trailer. Does anyone have a similar set up? I'm trying to see how well it will pull the trailer. Am I going to get up a hill with it?
you don't have a 7200lbs towing capacity without the factory tow package.
that's the amount WITH the factory tow package.

you'd have to duplicate the factory tow package to be able to tow that amount.

what model trailer are you talking about? what is its UVW or its "dry" weight and what is its hitch weight and what is its CCC?
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Hi Don:
I have a 2013 Tundra with the 4.6 V8 with the tow package. I currently have a Surveyor Sport SP220. The dry weight is around 4500 and has a load capacity of around 3000. (numbers are just rough estimates but pretty close). I don't plan to ever load it to near 7000 lbs. For me the Tundra is quite adequate. I have found it best to use the tow/haul setting on my truck, but since you don't have a tow package you probably don't have that. You can accomplish close to the same thing by setting your transmission to lock out the over drive gear(s).
Though I don't know the specifics of your truck, I think you will be fine.
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Ditto with Bikendan.

You will need to avoid places where you need 4-wheel drive.
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bikendan,
Thanks for your info and quick reply. We are looking at the new 231KSS Roo. It has a dry weight of 4858. We wouldn't pack a ton of weight and don't fill the water tanks until we get to our destination. We don't really want to spend the $ for a new truck and, of course, we can't get an honest answer from a dealer. Your input is much appreciated.
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Hi Teddy,
Thanks for your reply as well. We were most concerned, because we don't have the tow package. We bought the truck new in 2000 and I'm not even sure they offered the tow package at the time. It only has 85,000 miles on it, so hate to get rid of it. we just want to go in with as much honest information as we can get. Your input is appreciated.
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Don and Dale -

You can use this calculator to get a feel for how much your actual tongue weight will be (which is what you'll run into issues with long before hitting towing capacities):
Estimating Tongue/Pin Weight from Dry Weights - Towing Planner
I've plugged in the numbers for the 231KSS.

Then, you can get a feel for how much payload capacity your truck has left over by using this other calculator based on your tire & load information sticker on your truck's doorjamb:
Towing Calculator based on Truck's Payload/CCC - Towing Planner
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No door jamb sticker on a 2000. But that vintage Tundra would be around 1000lbs. That would have been calculated using Toyota's turn of the century standard, full fluids + 150lb driver.

I would suggest a transmission cooler (assuming it is an automatic trans), probably a power steering cooler as well. You will of course want to make sure the brakes are up to spec etc. Lastly, you will need to add a brake controller, 12 volt charge line and install a 7way trailer harness on the back of the truck. I am guessing you will need to run all the lines yourself, as I doubt it is prewired from the factory. Not a hard job, just a tedious one.
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you don't have a 7200lbs towing capacity without the factory tow package.
that's the amount WITH the factory tow package.

you'd have to duplicate the factory tow package to be able to tow that amount.

what model trailer are you talking about? what is its UVW or its "dry" weight and what is its hitch weight and what is its CCC?
Hi Bikendan,
I realized I didn't answer all your questions. Thanks for your info and quick reply. We are looking at the new 231KSS Roo. It has a dry weight of 4858. The hitch weight is 443 and the ccc is 1618. Of course, we travel very light, with little water until we reach our destination. The truck is a 2000 Tundra 4.7L. It has a transmission cooler, but no tow package. Thanks again for your input.
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Hi Bikendan,
I realized I didn't answer all your questions. Thanks for your info and quick reply. We are looking at the new 231KSS Roo. It has a dry weight of 4858. The hitch weight is 443 and the ccc is 1618. Of course, we travel very light, with little water until we reach our destination. The truck is a 2000 Tundra 4.7L. It has a transmission cooler, but no tow package. Thanks again for your input.
Dale and Don
since it has no tow package, first you need to determine what rear end ratio yours has, vs. what would have come with the factory tow package.

and you'd have to duplicate all of the package to be able to tow the Roo because that's the heaviest Roo made. the problem is that the rear end ratio will be the most important regarding towing capacity. if yours has a high ratio, for gas mileage, it won't be good for towing.

i have a Roo 23SS and it weighs about 5000lbs. loaded for camping.
but i live on the West Coast and have lots of real mountains to get over. i wouldn't want to tow anything much bigger.
my Avalanche has the bigger 5.3 v-8 AND the HD factory tow package and my towing capacity is 7200lbs., so there's no way yours has that amount without the factory tow package.
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Hey Don I have a 2005 toyota tundra, I Pull a 29'8" Flagstaff ultra light 26RLWS, that has a dry weight of 5981.. Now I have a tow package with weight dis, and 4 point sway control. And powered brake system.. I can tow up to 7000lbs.. But would not want to get to that cause that would be max. I currently full load weigh in at 6625 lbs. And have no problems But if I read you right you do not have tow package and are 2 wheel drive. Toyota Spec.'s on your tundra would give you only 5500 lbs of total towing cap. So if you figure in you going to put lets say 1000# of stuff in your camper then you would need that dry weight is no more then 4500 or less. Now if you install a tow package toyota specs.Would still only give you 6200Lbs cause of the diffrent rear end and tire size that come on those models. So you would still be okay but you got no room you would be maxed out. But you would be 600 lbs over right now as you sit. Hope this helps ..
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