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Old 10-22-2012, 11:00 PM   #11
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I guess a big part of it for me is how else the truck will be used. I am currently pulling a 26 foot toy hauler that weighs 6800 lbs loaded with a Nissan Titan. My truck does well. I was considering a diesel but could not justify having it the other 8 months out of the year when I will not be towing anything. Now if I had weeks planned over long distances I would probably get a diesel. I also use my truck all winter to ice fish and occasional cruising around in the hills. Which these newer diesels are not made for. Something else to think about.
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Old 10-23-2012, 08:08 AM   #12
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I guess a big part of it for me is how else the truck will be used. I am currently pulling a 26 foot toy hauler that weighs 6800 lbs loaded with a Nissan Titan. My truck does well. I was considering a diesel but could not justify having it the other 8 months out of the year when I will not be towing anything. Now if I had weeks planned over long distances I would probably get a diesel. I also use my truck all winter to ice fish and occasional cruising around in the hills. Which these newer diesels are not made for. Something else to think about.
What does that mean, "not made for"? I use my truck just like any other car/truck. Range is over 700 miles on a tank. So in those snowy winter months, when it's 15 degrees outside, I only have to fill it up every other week.
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Old 10-23-2012, 09:08 AM   #13
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I think what WYO might be talking about has to do with the DPF (thanks EPA) on the newer trucks. I loved my 2010 F250 6.4L truck, but when I am not pulling and just driving around town for short distances (10-20 miles) under 50 MPH 80% of the time, the DPF is not getting hot enough to really burn off. I would purposefully have to drive 20-30 miles to burn the DPF off after killing it a few times. The truck was awesome on the highway and towing. It was much better suited for that use than short mile commuting.
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Old 10-23-2012, 09:27 AM   #14
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I can give some usefull input on this subject as I just went from a 1/2 ton Dodge Ram to a 3/4 ton Dodge Ram. Stayed with a gas motor same quadcad based 6 foot bed so apples to apples here. The 3/4 ton truck handles the camper with more authority on the highway. My travel trailer has a high tongue weight 980lbs dry (total of 6400 dry) and the 1/2 ton payload was evaporated in short order. True tongue weight with gear,batteries,and filled propne tanks is probably north of 1,200 lbs. The brakes on the 3/4 ton are HUGE in comparison to the 1/2 ton. The frame rails I measured myself with the trucks side by side and the 3/4 ton has a 1 inch wider rail. The 3/4 ton is also 900 lbs heavier than the 1/2 ton. Don't look at tow ratings as gospel my buddies Titan is rated to tow 92 or 9400 pounds vs my new 09 Rams rating of only 8800 and there is no doubt after watching him pull his camper wich truck is a better TV for an 8K pound camper.
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Old 10-23-2012, 09:35 AM   #15
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Towing in the mountains at all ?? Ever going to a larger TT or 5th wheel ?? AND.. What does the wallet say ???
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Old 10-23-2012, 10:36 AM   #16
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To answer the OP's question, even in the theoretical situation where a 1550 and a 2500 had the same trailer tow ratings etc, same engine etc., the 2500 is ALWAYS going to tow better.

The 2500 will start out heavier, which means the trailer will push it around less. That counts when you on the highway.

The 2500 running gear will be heavier duty, which means the suspension will cycle less and of shorter duration, affording you more control of the TV and trailer.

The 2500 running gear will be designed to operate at heavier weights, so you will see less alignment issues, less tire wear, and typically less wear on rotating parts.

As has been pointed out, this theoretical situation does not exist. Because of the way that trucks are rated, the 2500 always has beter payload capacities than a similarly rated 1500 anyway. But even with that taken out of the equation, the 2500 will still ALWAYS pull better.

The 1500 may ride better though.
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I can give some usefull input on this subject as I just went from a 1/2 ton Dodge Ram to a 3/4 ton Dodge Ram. Stayed with a gas motor same quadcad based 6 foot bed so apples to apples here. The 3/4 ton truck handles the camper with more authority on the highway. My travel trailer has a high tongue weight 980lbs dry (total of 6400 dry) and the 1/2 ton payload was evaporated in short order. True tongue weight with gear,batteries,and filled propne tanks is probably north of 1,200 lbs. The brakes on the 3/4 ton are HUGE in comparison to the 1/2 ton. The frame rails I measured myself with the trucks side by side and the 3/4 ton has a 1 inch wider rail. The 3/4 ton is also 900 lbs heavier than the 1/2 ton. Don't look at tow ratings as gospel my buddies Titan is rated to tow 92 or 9400 pounds vs my new 09 Rams rating of only 8800 and there is no doubt after watching him pull his camper wich truck is a better TV for an 8K pound camper.
Curious how your MPG compares with the gas 3/4 T vs. the gas 1/2 T.

I am also at my payload right now and we are looking at possibly upgrading to a 3/4 or 1 T in the near future. We tow around 4-5 times a year with two longer trips. One is about 400 miles round trip, the other is around 1000 miles round trip. Other than that it will be a daily driver for a 40 mile commute round trip. Trying to decide if the diesel option is worth the $7000 - $9000 premium over gas. Part of me is just saying to get the motor if I am going to upgrade the other part is saying it would take me forever to get that money back with the type of driving I do. Only drive around 12-15K miles per year. I know diesels hold resale better but I dont plan on selling anytime soon so have to figure in years of gas and maintenance costs between the two motors.
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Old 10-23-2012, 10:51 AM   #18
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Curious how your MPG compares with the gas 3/4 T vs. the gas 1/2 T.

I am also at my payload right now and we are looking at possibly upgrading to a 3/4 or 1 T in the near future. We tow around 4-5 times a year with two longer trips. One is about 400 miles round trip, the other is around 1000 miles round trip. Other than that it will be a daily driver for a 40 mile commute round trip. Trying to decide if the diesel option is worth the $7000 - $9000 premium over gas. Part of me is just saying to get the motor if I am going to upgrade the other part is saying it would take me forever to get that money back with the type of driving I do. Only drive around 12-15K miles per year. I know diesels hold resale better but I dont plan on selling anytime soon so have to figure in years of gas and maintenance costs between the two motors.

In real world out the door pricing, is the diesel really that much more? I was looking at a local Dodge dealer's add, and the difference looked closer to 2K, depending on the truck. At that amount, it is a no brainer. When I bought a new 05 the difference was less than 1K with rebates.
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In real world out the door pricing, is the diesel really that much more? I was looking at a local Dodge dealer's add, and the difference looked closer to 2K, depending on the truck. At that amount, it is a no brainer. When I bought a new 05 the difference was less than 1K with rebates.
We just shopped two weeks ago. Selling price on two almost identical 2012 Ram 2500 Mega Cab Big Horn 4x4's - one was a 5.7 Hemi, the other the Cummins. The Cummins was $46,000, the Hemi - $38,000. Those were just quick and dirty internet quotes, but that was what we got back. Options on both were near identical, even the same color inside and out.

If I could find one that was only $2K in difference it would be a much closer contest! Still have to factor in diesel gas prices and maintenance but it would be a close call.
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Old 10-23-2012, 11:05 AM   #20
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I have an 08 I-Force Tundra 5.7 to pull my 30' super lite 5er. I stay away from mountains untill the deisel tundra comes along. I do love my tundra but like the great Clint Eastwood said "A man should know his limatations". lol
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