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Old 06-19-2019, 05:16 PM   #1
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Iím sure this has been asked 1,000 times but.... I just bought a 2020 Cherokee 264DBH dry weight is 6,760 and gross is 8,585. My tow vehicle is a 2008 Ford Expedition EL gross tow cap is 9,000. Everybody says I should be ok pulling this, I have WDH. Any thoughts??? Thank you
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Old 06-19-2019, 05:25 PM   #2
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You need to look at the Expy's Payload Capacity due to the heavy loaded tongue weight of that trailer, not the towing capacity.
You'll always run out of payload capacity WAY before reaching that 9000 number.
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Old 06-19-2019, 05:32 PM   #3
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Payload is 1,697 to 1,745
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Old 06-19-2019, 05:38 PM   #4
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Post you yellow sticker from your driver door jam. example below
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Old 06-19-2019, 05:41 PM   #5
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It has been asked a 1000 times and the answer is the same every time: tell us your payload and tell us who/what else is in the TV with you.

Payload isn’t a range, it’s a single specific number. It’s on the door jamb (not to be confused with door jam, which I think is for door bread) sticker of your TV.

You’ll have 1,000 lbs on your TV from the trailer alone. Family of 4 weighs in around 600 lbs, for average people. WDH will be 50 lbs or more. And there will be other items in that rig. Pets, gear, etc.

Probably north of 1,700 lbs. But, again, it all depends on the details.
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it has been asked a 1000 times and the answer is the same every time: Tell us your payload and tell us who/what else is in the tv with you.

Payload isnít a range, itís a single specific number. Itís on the door jamb (not to be confused with door jam, which i think is for door bread) sticker of your tv.

Youíll have 1,000 lbs on your tv from the trailer alone. Family of 4 weighs in around 600 lbs, for average people. Wdh will be 50 lbs or more. And there will be other items in that rig. Pets, gear, etc.

Probably north of 1,700 lbs. But, again, it all depends on the details.


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Dry hitch weight is 880 and your payload is 1,580. That leaves only 700 pounds for the WDH, passengers, food, gear, water, pets, or anything else in the TV plus the TT options, batteries, and anything else that adds to the tongue weight. As the others mentioned, you'll run out of payload long before reaching towing capacity.
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So your saying I should get a bigger vehicle? Like a F-150 dealer said a F-250 would be overkill for that trailer
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Like a F-150 dealer said a F-250 would be overkill for that trailer
dealers lie all the time... consider them to be worse then used car salesmen

Someone mention dry hitch weight... your trailer was dry when it left the factory, then they added a battery and a couple of propane tanks and you add even more stuff... so add at least 200# to the dry weight number and probably even more for the tongue weight... you will be over 1000# before you know it.

Figure you only load trailer to 8,000#... take between 10-15% to figure hitch weight... bigger number is more stable when towing... so 13% of 8,000 is 1,040# of tongue weight. Look at your Esp manual and see if you can even put 1000# on the tongue, even with WDH
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dealers lie all the time... consider them to be worse then used car salesmen



Someone mention dry hitch weight... your trailer was dry when it left the factory, then they added a battery and a couple of propane tanks and you add even more stuff... so add at least 200# to the dry weight number and probably even more for the tongue weight... you will be over 1000# before you know it.


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As you can see, your actual payload is quite a bit lower, than the lower number of that range you posted.
Its always advised to actually weigh, at least your Expy, to get a true curb weight number. Then subtract that from the Expy's GVWR number. That will give you a true Payload amount.
A F150 3.5 EcoBoost with the Max Tow package, would work great with that TT, IF you stay away from those fancy bling trim levels. Like the Platinum or Lariat.
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So your saying I should get a bigger vehicle? Like a F-150 dealer said a F-250 would be overkill for that trailer
Yup heard the same things and I thought I did my home work. By the book my numbers on my half ton worked. But after a year of trying everything to make it work, look at me now with a F250. 8800 lb gross TT and 1200 lbs of tongue weight. Our very first mile we knew a bigger truck was the right move. I was an accident waiting to happen, I guess it did happen only there was nothing there to hit. My TT pushed my truck around whether I would admit it or not. I finally accepted defeat traded for larger truck. Oh, the TT was advertised as half ton towable by the salesman.
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Yup heard the same things and I thought I did my home work. By the book my numbers on my half ton worked. But after a year of trying everything to make it work, look at me now with a F250. 8800 lb gross TT and 1200 lbs of tongue weight. Our very first mile we knew a bigger truck was the right move. I was an accident waiting to happen, I guess it did happen only there was nothing there to hit. My TT pushed my truck around whether I would admit it or not. I finally accepted defeat traded for larger truck. Oh, the TT was advertised as half ton towable by the salesman.


Would you go diesel or gas?
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My TT GVW is 8818. @ 15% the hitch weight could be 1350 lbs. Moved to a 2018 Chevy 2500HD gas with 4:10 rear. Runs up and down western mountains quite well. Since my payload on the truck is 3343, I have lots of room left even after maxing out the TT's GVW.
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Would you go diesel or gas?
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Here we go! Grab the popcorn!
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Would you go diesel or gas?
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Gas, wish I could go diesel sometimes usually when its time to fuel up. Diesel pumps are easier to get to.
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Would you go diesel or gas?
Thank you for your advice
Depends on the manufacturer. Ford makes great gas engines for the 3/4 ton trucks. Chevy, not as much. Diesel is the only way to go with a Ram.
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Would you go diesel or gas? [...]
Depends on a lot of things that youíre still not sharing. How many people in the TV? Other gear, bikes, etc.? Camping habits? You towing the flat beaches of the gulf coast or 11,000í Rocky Mtn passes? And, so on.

The more info you provide, the better people will be able to help.

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Depends on a lot of things that youíre still not sharing. How many people in the TV? Other gear, bikes, etc.? Camping habits? You towing the flat beaches of the gulf coast or 11,000í Rocky Mtn passes? And, so on.



The more info you provide, the better people will be able to help.





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Talk to your insurance rep and get the $ amount that you are covered for in towing a trailer. Go back to the dealer with the proof of that coverage. Ask to test drive the trailer (if they are so da#% confident). Removes the "can't let you test drive because of insurance" excuse. (Haven't tried this yet so let me know if this works. )
Wisconsin has lots of fun hills to test it on.

If it pulls fine, maybe just upgrade your brakes and get a dedicated transmission oil cooler.
Sway control is usually a matter of WDH brand and quality.

Most states have no laws about going over the tow rating and most insurance will still cover you.
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