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Old 04-15-2014, 06:26 PM   #61
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I have the same problem I tow a 32ft Windjammer with a gas F250, that loves every gas station it passes. It tows just fine, but I WANT a F250 diesel. I am giving it second thoughts aside from the huge price tag, diesel fuel around here is between 50-75 cents higher. I believe diesel requires more maintenance and not to mention 15 Quarts of oil. (you can tell I am trying to talk myself out of a diesel ). To each his own, but I still want one, and I probably will get one whether it makes sense or not.
Beyond oil changes, which tend to come at longer intervals, and a fuel filter every 15,000 miles, what more maintenance is there? Yes, repairs are more expensive when they happen, but at the service life diesels tend to have it's a wash.

My truck currently gets 11MPG pulling at 65ish. That's currently $.36.4 a mile. Gasoline power at 9MPG pulls $.40 a mile. (Using fuel prices I saw locally, $4.00 for diesel and $3.60 for 87 octane gas.)

My old gas truck with the TT was 7MPG. That's $.51.4 per mile. On a 1,000 mile trip that's $150 saved. 10 1,000 mile trips that's $1,500 saved. So in fuel savings it doesn't pay for itself very quickly. But in quality of towing, etc. it makes up that difference.

Plus, my 1500 gas truck and 2500 diesel truck, same body style, shows the difference even more in regular driving. The 1500 was 14MPG, the diesel is 20MPG. $.25.7 for the gasser, $.20 for the diesel, per mile. In the 100,000 miles I've driven my truck as a daily driver I'll estimate 10,000 miles towing with it. 90,000 milesX$.05 per mile=$4500.

So it does catch up and balance out eventually, the Cummins option on my truck was $6500 IIRC, so I'm actually almost ahead at this point. Plus over the last several years my truck doesn't move much, I'm not racking up the miles like I used to, well not in the truck. My poor company car averages 950 miles a week.

All that boils down to this, don't get a diesel strictly on dollars. Yes, it will pay for itself but over time, the towing experience is it's reward. Going 300+ miles between fill ups compared to 150 before. Pulling a hill without downshifting and revving the engine to the moon.

A diesel is a towing experience, it's not just dollars.
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Old 04-15-2014, 06:35 PM   #62
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I love my new diesel. Went from a 2010 Tundra 5.7 to a 2014 Ram 3500 6.7. Better fuel mileage all around.

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I am looking at a 2012 Dodge Ram cummins. After reading about the DEF, it makes me wonder if i should try and find a '06-07 5.9 cummins without all of the egr, and DEF stuff.
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Old 04-15-2014, 06:41 PM   #63
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when it comes down to it, if we wanted to save money, we would just stay home. We do it because we like it and we do it with the equipment that we feel is best for us.
Exactly! I went from gas to diesel and glad I did. Even if I don't recoup my cost of a diesel the way it tows is awesome. BTW, I went from Ohio to Myrtle Beach last year and averaged 11.8 MPG at 65 mph. It tows at 1600 rpm and rarely downshifts on hills except for the bigger ones. Look at my signature to see my set up.
DEF is no big deal. I have never had an issue with it. You get more horsepower with the newer diesels (the older ones that have been tuned and deleted don't count) Also, pay the little extra for a 1 ton, many users upgrade their TT.
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Old 04-15-2014, 06:51 PM   #64
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SKNight, you my friend have done your home work. You break it down so it does make sense. If you ever want to get a forum going visit the topic of gas vs diesel. New prices of $60,000 is way to much for my blood, then you start looking used, a good one is very hard to find. Most have lift kits and a lots of mods. Plus you don't know if the mods were done by a professional or under a shade tree in someones backyard. So then you start looking at the new ones again that have not been tampered with. I do agree 100% if you tow most anything that has some weight diesel is the way to go. And the debate goes on.
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Old 04-15-2014, 07:23 PM   #65
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I am looking at a 2012 Dodge Ram cummins. After reading about the DEF, it makes me wonder if i should try and find a '06-07 5.9 cummins without all of the egr, and DEF stuff.
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Old 04-15-2014, 07:36 PM   #66
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I am looking at a 2012 Dodge Ram cummins. After reading about the DEF, it makes me wonder if i should try and find a '06-07 5.9 cummins without all of the egr, and DEF stuff.
Dont those have an egr as well.
The egr was required long before dpf and def on dmax and pwrstroke.

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Never mind, googled it. They don't have a typical egr, but they did have an "in-cylinder solution" to egr in later years, which does basically the same thing, dirty oil and all. I guess you have to change cam and a bunch of work to delete that.

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Old 04-16-2014, 12:14 AM   #68
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SKNight, you my friend have done your home work. You break it down so it does make sense. If you ever want to get a forum going visit the topic of gas vs diesel. New prices of $60,000 is way to much for my blood, then you start looking used, a good one is very hard to find. Most have lift kits and a lots of mods. Plus you don't know if the mods were done by a professional or under a shade tree in someones backyard. So then you start looking at the new ones again that have not been tampered with. I do agree 100% if you tow most anything that has some weight diesel is the way to go. And the debate goes on.
Been in the business my whole life, plus being in management I tend to examine the dollars behind reality which helps me understand it better.

New vs. used is a hard decision sometimes. There's the depreciation aspect, and at times you can find a great, used, low mileage truck. That's what I actually did. Mine was lifted with lift springs, but no other mods. Plus I got the factory springs so it was really easy to go back. But new? I've had three motorcycles, all new. I know the exact history, plus I tend to keep stuff forever, so the depreciation hit isn't as important to me.

There are those that just want gasoline power, and that's fine. Especially if you love Ford trucks. The 6.7 seems ok, but Ford has a bit of a sketchy diesel history lately, since the 6.0 came out. I might not trust the 6.7 yet, so I'll maybe opt for the gas engine. Less mileage, but still an adequate puller and as I showed, the return on investment is slow coming.

It's all in what you like, how you feel about a 15-20% premium on the price tag, new or used. That's something else, diesel trucks carry a premium on resale, you get that percentage back when you sell or trade in. Something else to weigh in the equation, especially if you trade often, you don't pay much for the option once you factor in trade value.
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Old 04-16-2014, 06:24 AM   #69
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those trying to discredit the benefits of buying diesel need to do a little more homework. Its not an $10,000 option. The trucks don't cost $60,000+. Diesel is not 60 cents per gallon more. Last August I paid $47,000 for a new 2014 crew cab long bed 1 ton 4x4 Duramax truck. My towing mileage went from 7.5 to 12+. That's over a 50% increase in mileage, and since the fuel only costs 15 cents per gallon more, I'm saving a money on fuel. With all the available power and lack of shifting like crazy on the slightest of hills, its a win win situation. Keep in mind that at 200,000 miles, the value of the diesel truck will be MUCH higher than an equivalent gas. Meaning you used all the extra power for no charge
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i need to go where you bought your truck. i just priced a chev lt 3500 diesel crew cab short box 4x4 online 59350 thats with 6000 cash credit. at 47k i would buy a diesel in a second.

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those trying to discredit the benefits of buying diesel need to do a little more homework. Its not an $10,000 option. The trucks don't cost $60,000+. Diesel is not 60 cents per gallon more. Last August I paid $47,000 for a new 2014 crew cab long bed 1 ton 4x4 Duramax truck. My towing mileage went from 7.5 to 12+. That's over a 50% increase in mileage, and since the fuel only costs 15 cents per gallon more, I'm saving a money on fuel. With all the available power and lack of shifting like crazy on the slightest of hills, its a win win situation. Keep in mind that at 200,000 miles, the value of the diesel truck will be MUCH higher than an equivalent gas. Meaning you used all the extra power for no charge
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