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12-18-2015, 06:08 PM
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I have nothing against 1/2 ton TVs. I prefer 3/4 1 tons. I have never towed with a 1/2 so I guess I should just read and keep quiet on that subject. I had a 06' f-250 5.4 gasser that would sound like a screaming nightmare pulling a TT up a couple hills out side of Mammoth Ca. That's when I went to a diesel. Like you a much better towing experience.
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12-18-2015, 07:28 PM
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Another thing to keep in miND when towing with a 1/2 ton is frontal area limits. F150 has 60sqft limit in their towing guide.
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12-19-2015, 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by transamz9
Your husband does know there are a lot of "1/2 ton" trucks that have more "available payload" than a lot of "3/4 ton" trucks according to the little sticker right?
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if you believe that I have some land for sale !
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12-19-2015, 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by azwiz
if you believe that I have some land for sale !
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My 2005 2500 sticker says 1,6xx# on the little sticker. I have some F150's at work with 2,3xx# stickers. So........ Where's the land?
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12-19-2015, 10:10 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by transamz9
My 2005 2500 sticker says 1,6xx# on the little sticker. I have some F150's at work with 2,3xx# stickers. So........ Where's the land?
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I have never seen one on 3/4 ton at 1600 payload. I had Chevy 2500HD Diesel LTZ loaded to the gills and still had 2475. You can check the F150 website there are a lot F150 with higher payload than my 2500HD but on the lots I have not seen a F150 over about 2000.
What additional equipment do you think was installed at your 2500 that added 875 lbs to the weight of the truck over my loaded LTZ? What was the trucks GVWR?
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12-19-2015, 12:36 PM
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2005 Dodge Ram 2500 with Cummins had 9,000lb GVWR. A base model QC 4x4 SB could tip the scales at over 7,000. A few options and a payload under 1700 isn't far fetched.
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12-19-2015, 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by drittal
2005 Dodge Ram 2500 with Cummins had 9,000lb GVWR. A base model QC 4x4 SB could tip the scales at over 7,000. A few options and a payload under 1700 isn't far fetched.
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OK, that make sense with trucks GVWR of 9,000. If my 2500hd i use to own had with 2475 CC would only have 1475 CC with GVWR of 9,000.
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12-19-2015, 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by CWSWine
OK, that make sense with trucks GVWR of 9,000. If my 2500hd i use to own had with 2475 CC would only have 1475 CC with GVWR of 9,000.
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Last truck was a 2010 chevy LTZ 2500HD Duramax with a GVWR 9200. Tare weight was 7200 plus the hitch and stuff...
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12-19-2015, 02:02 PM
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the new crew cab 4x4 diesel Ram 2500 have payloads around 2200-2400lbs.
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12-19-2015, 02:15 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by drittal
the new crew cab 4x4 diesel Ram 2500 have payloads around 2200-2400lbs.
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Yup.
My 14 2500 CCSB CUMMINS on the cat scale was 7919. Gvwr ok 10k.
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12-19-2015, 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Kenny kustom
Yup.
My 14 2500 CCSB CUMMINS on the cat scale was 7919. Gvwr ok 10k.
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My old 2013 2500HD Diesel on the cat scales was just under 2,000 CC when was loaded ready to go camping. I had 1/2 towable Keystone 28SGS that was within 100 lbs of GVWR of 10,000 lbs.
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12-19-2015, 02:39 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CWSWine
I have never seen one on 3/4 ton at 1600 payload. I had Chevy 2500HD Diesel LTZ loaded to the gills and still had 2475. You can check the F150 website there are a lot F150 with higher payload than my 2500HD but on the lots I have not seen a F150 over about 2000.
What additional equipment do you think was installed at your 2500 that added 875 lbs to the weight of the truck over my loaded LTZ? What was the trucks GVWR?
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I'm sorry I told a little fib. I just looked at my old trucks sticker and from the factory it had 2010# payload. My buddy has a QC LB Cummins with a 6 speed that has the 16xx# sticker. Never the less I would feel much safer with 3000# sitting on my 2005 2500 with a 2000# sticker than a newer 1500 with a 2000# sticker.
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12-19-2015, 02:45 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CWSWine
I have never seen one on 3/4 ton at 1600 payload. I had Chevy 2500HD Diesel LTZ loaded to the gills and still had 2475. You can check the F150 website there are a lot F150 with higher payload than my 2500HD but on the lots I have not seen a F150 over about 2000.
What additional equipment do you think was installed at your 2500 that added 875 lbs to the weight of the truck over my loaded LTZ? What was the trucks GVWR?
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I had a 2009 f250 psd that only had a 1500 lb payload on the door sticker. It was a crew cab, 4x4, long bed with the lariat package.
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12-19-2015, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by asquared
I had a 2009 f250 psd that only had a 1500 lb payload on the door sticker. It was a crew cab, 4x4, long bed with the lariat package.
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I guess all those low payload numbers on Diesel 2500/250 trucks reinforces what I have said all along. If looking at payload to tow a 5er don’t buy 250/2500 diesel buy gas – if you want diesel buy 1 ton or higher.
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12-19-2015, 03:12 PM
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"1/2 ton towable" term should be illegal. My father's Stryker 2912 is considered half ton towable. By weights it is. Unfortunately to be half ton towable the tongue weight empty isn't even15% on a toy hauler. To haul a RZR 800 in it behind his 3500 DRW diesel he has to back it in and put it over the axles and still needs an anti sway bar.
Imagine the tow behind a 150/1500. SMH.
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12-19-2015, 03:42 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by drittal
the new crew cab 4x4 diesel Ram 2500 have payloads around 2200-2400lbs.
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Correct. My GVWR 10k with a combined weight of 2241.
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12-21-2015, 08:08 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mike.t
I have nothing against 1/2 ton TVs. I prefer 3/4 1 tons. I have never towed with a 1/2 so I guess I should just read and keep quiet on that subject. I had a 06' f-250 5.4 gasser that would sound like a screaming nightmare pulling a TT up a couple hills out side of Mammoth Ca. That's when I went to a diesel. Like you a much better towing experience.
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Same thing here. I had a 2011 2500HD 6.0 gasser, and even towing 8000lbs on flat Florida highways, it would HOWL trying to get up to speed and going on overpasses. Got rid of it and went to a 2013 Duramax, and it was a whole new world. We just did a six hour pull on that same route with a new 10,000lb TT and it was a great experience. Maybe some don't care how hard they push their equipment, I do. 40 years in the automotive repair business showed me over and over what happens when you do.
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12-21-2015, 08:46 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CWSWine
I guess all those low payload numbers on Diesel 2500/250 trucks reinforces what I have said all along. If looking at payload to tow a 5er don’t buy 250/2500 diesel buy gas – if you want diesel buy 1 ton or higher.
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Honestly for a fiver depending on weight i would skip the 2500 and go diesel 3500 but again that depends entirely on the weight of the fiver. I have a friend towing a lighter fiver than mine with an f150 ecoboost with max tow and max hd package. He has no issues towing through PA, VA and west VA mountains but the trailer is matched to the truck for weights.
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