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Old 12-18-2015, 11:58 AM   #11
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Lets figure out what a truck with 2000 pounds cargo capacity according to the yellow door sticker can haul.

The truck's payload (aka "cargo carrying capacity") is found on a "Tire and Loading Information" sticker on the doorjamb and reads, "The combined weight of occupants and cargo should never exceed XYZ kg or ABC lbs." We’re using 2000lbs

A common misconception is that 150 pounds is included in the doorjamb sticker; this is not the case. The entire driver's weight has to be deducted from the payload. = we will use 200lbs

Total up the weight of all of your passengers (don't forget the furry ones!). Also estimate and include the weight of infant, car and booster seats if you have little ones. We will use 150 lbs

A safe estimate is 50-100 pounds for travel trailers and 250 pounds for fifth wheels. We are using a 5er so 250lbs

In the cab, we often travel with a variety of entertainment options for the kids (iPads, iPods, games, books, magazines, dolls, toys, pillows, blankets, etc.), a GPS, couple of maps, Big Rig book and a small cooler of drinks, cold snacks and a bag of snacks separate than that. This is probably lite but we will use 50lbs

In our truck bed, you'll often find a ladder, firewood (or equivalent), fire grill, wood blocks, sewer hose holders and misc. destination needs (for instance, when going to the beach- beach chairs, boogie boards, etc.). We also have a heavy 150 pound roll top truck bed cover. For folks in travel trailers - include the topper if you have one, bikes, kayaks, etc. Again probably lite but 50lbs

Camper Weight
You're adding approximately 700 lbs. to the truck. You have 1,300 lbs. of payload capacity. Fifth wheels typically have 20% - 25% pin weight which gives you a maximum loaded camper weight of 5,200 - 6,500 lbs.

Most believe that the 150 driver is included so we take out the weight for the driver assuming you weight 150lbs. and that increases it to maximum loaded camper weight of 5,800 - 7,250 lbs.

You can’t stubby pencil this to figure you weights, you need to use the CC load calculator and the best one I have seen is the link below. I believe this written by a forum member and very well done. This is still a guess the best way to figure if you are within specs you need to spend the 10.00 it cost at a Cat Scale to get weighed then come back to the link below and put the numbers in.

Towing Calculator based on Truck's Payload/CCC - Towing Planner

In my class it showed me that with 11,380 lbs 5er using Cat Scale weights I was 960 lbs over GVWR and within 200 lbs of Axle and Tire Loading in Chevy 2500HD Diesel with 15,000 lbs tow capacity. Then I learned that Cat Scale Weights are static weights and during towing the pin weights can increase by 30 to 40 percent by hitting dip or braking going down hill. Here is mine figured off of Cat Scale Weights.

http://www.towingplanner.com/ActualWeights/FifthWheelCatScales/?w1sa=4980&w1da=5980&w1ta=8640&w2sa=4740&w2da=3480 &a=2

I know someone going to say that if your 1 pound over trucks not going to break in half and no it won't. Or use common sense in loading you truck but I believe above gives you guide line to make common sense decission.
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Old 12-18-2015, 03:11 PM   #12
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We actually had the weight police weight our rig at Goshen. Considering our EcoBeast can yak 11K down the road, we are well writhing weight range.

Pin Weight: 1,524 lbs.
GVWR: 9,350 lbs.
CCC: 1,557 lbs.

Oh yeah...the whole rig (TV & 5er) will probably be up for sale in mid-2016
What is your payload, GCWR of your truck, and loaded pin weight?

Have you ever hit the scales?
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Lets figure out what a truck with 2000 pounds cargo capacity according to the yellow door sticker can haul.

The truck's payload (aka "cargo carrying capacity") is found on a "Tire and Loading Information" sticker on the doorjamb and reads, "The combined weight of occupants and cargo should never exceed XYZ kg or ABC lbs." Weíre using 2000lbs

A common misconception is that 150 pounds is included in the doorjamb sticker; this is not the case. The entire driver's weight has to be deducted from the payload. = we will use 200lbs

Total up the weight of all of your passengers (don't forget the furry ones!). Also estimate and include the weight of infant, car and booster seats if you have little ones. We will use 150 lbs

A safe estimate is 50-100 pounds for travel trailers and 250 pounds for fifth wheels. We are using a 5er so 250lbs

In the cab, we often travel with a variety of entertainment options for the kids (iPads, iPods, games, books, magazines, dolls, toys, pillows, blankets, etc.), a GPS, couple of maps, Big Rig book and a small cooler of drinks, cold snacks and a bag of snacks separate than that. This is probably lite but we will use 50lbs

In our truck bed, you'll often find a ladder, firewood (or equivalent), fire grill, wood blocks, sewer hose holders and misc. destination needs (for instance, when going to the beach- beach chairs, boogie boards, etc.). We also have a heavy 150 pound roll top truck bed cover. For folks in travel trailers - include the topper if you have one, bikes, kayaks, etc. Again probably lite but 50lbs

Camper Weight
You're adding approximately 700 lbs. to the truck. You have 1,300 lbs. of payload capacity. Fifth wheels typically have 20% - 25% pin weight which gives you a maximum loaded camper weight of 5,200 - 6,500 lbs.

Most believe that the 150 driver is included so we take out the weight for the driver assuming you weight 150lbs. and that increases it to maximum loaded camper weight of 5,800 - 7,250 lbs.

You canít stubby pencil this to figure you weights, you need to use the CC load calculator and the best one I have seen is the link below. I believe this written by a forum member and very well done. This is still a guess the best way to figure if you are within specs you need to spend the 10.00 it cost at a Cat Scale to get weighed then come back to the link below and put the numbers in.

Towing Calculator based on Truck's Payload/CCC - Towing Planner

In my class it showed me that with 11,380 lbs 5er using Cat Scale weights I was 960 lbs over GVWR and within 200 lbs of Axle and Tire Loading in Chevy 2500HD Diesel with 15,000 lbs tow capacity. Then I learned that Cat Scale Weights are static weights and during towing the pin weights can increase by 30 to 40 percent by hitting dip or braking going down hill. Here is mine figured off of Cat Scale Weights.

http://www.towingplanner.com/ActualWeights/FifthWheelCatScales/?w1sa=4980&w1da=5980&w1ta=8640&w2sa=4740&w2da=3480 &a=2

I know someone going to say that if your 1 pound over trucks not going to break in half and no it won't. Or use common sense in loading you truck but I believe above gives you guide line to make common sense decission.

^^^All this^^^^ ready to camp my truck is 700lbs heavier than Ram says it weighs.
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Old 12-18-2015, 03:20 PM   #14
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^^^All this^^^^ ready to camp my truck is 700lbs heavier than Ram says it weighs.
My truck weights 8220 ready to camp with a 11,500 GVWR and those are cat scale weights.
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Towing 5th wheels with 1/2 ton trucks (split from another thread)

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Waiting for the day a 1/2 ton owner say's Boy what a piece of towing crap this dog is. Time to move up.

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Waiting for the day a 1/2 ton owner say's Boy what a piece of towing crap this dog is. Time to move up.
There has been some post of people moving from 1/2 ton to 3/4 and the difference in towing. This doesn't mean over weight but just the difference. I towed a 28 foot TT with Chevy 1500 that was within all the specs of truck and towed great. Then I towed it with a 2500HD Diesel and total difference experience.

Here is thread that comes to mind.. Remember the OP defended 1/2 tons towing.

Moving to 2500.....My Experience
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There has been some post of people moving from 1/2 ton to 3/4 and the difference in towing. This doesn't mean over weight but just the difference. I towed a 28 foot TT with Chevy 1500 that was within all the specs of truck and towed great. Then I towed it with a 2500HD Diesel and total difference experience.

Here is thread that comes to mind.. Remember the OP defended 1/2 tons towing.

Moving to 2500.....My Experience

Spot on.

I wasn't overweight. Just felt like I needed more truck.

4K rpm in fourth on flat ground because of a serious head wind....

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Spot on.

I wasn't overweight. Just felt like I needed more truck.

4K rpm in fourth on flat ground because of a serious head wind....

Sucked.


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You run the same numbers as I did above for TT you can tow a huge TT with 2000 lbs payload. Some 1/2 ton you would probably run out of tow capacity before you ran payload. Here is a example:

"You're adding approximately 550 lbs. to the truck. You have 1,450 lbs. of payload capacity. Travel trailers typically have 10% - 15% tongue weight which gives you a maximum loaded camper weight of 9,666 - 14,500 lbs."

I don't think I would tackle a 14,500 lbs TT with my short wheel base F350, that would be a huge TT.

I wanted to move to 5th wheel so I purchased a 2500HD diesel when I should of purchased a 1 ton diesel or 3/4 ton gas.
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