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Old 12-04-2015, 10:51 AM   #41
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Old 12-04-2015, 11:03 AM   #42
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Scary... But they were made to be a workhorse.. So one poster said..
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Old 12-04-2015, 11:24 AM   #43
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I can tell you this. God forbid that if I ever have an accident, it's not going to be because I was running heavier than what my GCVWR is. It's going to be because I was not operating my vehicle in a safe manner for the circumstances.

If you are the kind of people that is dead set on staying under all ratings you still have the ability to operate in an unsafe manner. What are you going to do if (God forbid) you have an accident that kills someone and get into a civil suit? There are a lot of ambulance chasing layers out there that can prove that you were some way at fault.

Those numbers that everyone refers to as the golden rule can be changed to what ever one wants as long as you don't exceed the Federal and State bridge weight laws. What it does is throws the liability onto the person that changed those numbers. Can an aftermarket upgrade change the capacity? Sure it can, but when YOU change the numbers the liability for those numbers goes to you instead of the OEM. It can also work 2 ways though. Install under rated tires or brake pads that are not of OE equivalent and not lower those golden rule numbers and the liability is still yours.

As state by someone in an earlier post that people posting on a public forum about knowingly towing over weight are bragging and are morons. For one, I am not bragging. I am not towing over weight on any axle. And to call someone a moron for towing over a number that has nothing to do with safety factor but does have to do with stress on gears can't be real smart when it comes to towing. Two identical trucks with same payload and axle ratings can have big differences in GCVWR just because of rear axle gear ratios. The lower the gear the less stress is put on the drive line. GCVWR has nothing to do with how much weight the trick can start or stop and handle in a safe manner.
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Old 12-04-2015, 11:43 AM   #44
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If you are the kind of people that is dead set on staying under all ratings you still have the ability to operate in an unsafe manner. What are you going to do if (God forbid) you have an accident that kills someone and get into a civil suit? There are a lot of ambulance chasing layers out there that can prove that you were some way at fault.
To that I would say civil suits are one thing and criminal charges based on negligence, such as vehicular manslaughter, are two different things entirely. A civil suit does not typically include the consequence of having your sexual orientation changed by Billy Bob Jim over in cell block #4.
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To that I would say civil suits are one thing and criminal charges based on negligence, such as vehicular manslaughter, are two different things entirely. A civil suit does not typically include the consequence of having your sexual orientation changed by Billy Bob Jim over in cell block #4.
Don't criminal charges usually include a broken law? A RV (unless you are talking Motorhomes) will not break a weight law. Speeding, reckless driving, using a mobile device , not paying enough taxes for your weight? Yes . Fifth wheel , travel trailer, truck breaking a weight law? no.
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Old 12-04-2015, 01:02 PM   #46
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Some states do have laws that do not allow for you to be over weight, even a car. Most of the weight laws we think of are only for the commercial stuff. But every state is different so I could only surmise to each of the 50 states. I believe someone posted here in a past "weight" thread that their state had a law against being over GVWR or GCWR (not sure which) so that could be a law broken. If you did kill someone in a crash and it was not obviously accidental and if your are unsafely loaded or negligent in some similar fashion you will be charged with vehicle manslaughter or whatever they call it in your state (here in PA is Homicide by Motor Vehicle). It is required that you have violated some law before being charged with this, but that could (technically be) you forgot to signal a lane change if you wanted to split hairs.
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Old 12-04-2015, 01:04 PM   #47
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Don't criminal charges usually include a broken law? A RV (unless you are talking Motorhomes) will not break a weight law. Speeding, reckless driving, using a mobile device , not paying enough taxes for your weight? Yes . Fifth wheel , travel trailer, truck breaking a weight law? no.
Well not all the time do they include a "broken law"...................The charge is homicide by vehicle. To get to that a prosecutor needs to prove "gross negligence" in most states. There doesn't have to be a specific definition or law to be broken. The word "recklessly" also comes into play. Its not as set in stone and needs to be tied to specific laws or regulations as most people believe.

So someone overloads a vehicle knowingly, and for extra good measure posts that in every forum on the internet along with some pictures, and barrels into another vehicle and kills someone (god forbid). Mr prosecutor gets an idea that the rig was overweight or overloaded and is going to call that gross negligence. He's going to call in Mr expert who will most likely testify that had those numbers not been exceeded, numbers such as payload, GCWR, GVWR etc (knowingly), the vehicle would of been capable of stopping in time, and the accident would of never occurred. Mr and Mrs bleeding heart jury and their other friends are more than likely going to convict based on that, and someone is off to see Billy Bob Jim. Do you really believe it takes breaking a specific law? It doesn't.

As far as a truck breaking a weight law. I don't know how it is where you are but in PA I have a red number 3 sticker on my windshield tied to my vehicle registration. That means I am good up to 9000 lbs GVW. If I was to drop a Cyclone 4250 on it with a pin weight of 3560 and it takes me over that 9000, I'm breaking a law.


The bottom line is it's your decision. If you don't have a problem exceeding recommendations or weight numbers and such, and feel that your logic justifies it, so be it. I'd argue that they come up with those numbers for more reasons than just "stress on gears" as you say but whatever.

I just try to avoid the people that do it on the highway. As a volunteer fireman I have seen the results.

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Mr Havercamp: In PA the vehicle laws are in Title 75, Chapter 49 subsection C. They cover the motor vehicles. The sections A and B cover size and height.
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Old 12-04-2015, 01:27 PM   #49
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Just for poops and giggles and kicks, leaf through some of the idiotic posts in this link. Keep in mind we're talking something with a unibody, a payload of around 1500, 6000 tow rating and 10K GCWR with some models/ years having lower capacities.

Ridgeline's can tow (photos) - Honda Ridgeline Owners Club Forums
This one made me sick....
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Mr Havercamp: In PA the vehicle laws are in Title 75, Chapter 49 subsection C. They cover the motor vehicles. The sections A and B cover size and height.

Talk about getting a mybrain headache, try reading through all that horse poopage. I don't see where there is a line between commercial or not?

So I think this would just about cover it;
No vehicle registered as a truck, a combination or a trailer shall be operated with a gross weight in excess of its registered gross weight?


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This one made me sick....
Amazing isn't it? I'm somewhat of a Honda aficionado and always liked the Ridgeline, but supertruck its not.
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