towing

[Dogpatch]

I'll admit it. I'm overweight.

Oh.....I just noticed we're talking about towing and not physical prowess. LOL

(A little light hearted humor)

[ependydad]

Originally Posted by doc73

I think a few have said that ALL trucks over 5 tons GCWR need to stop in the MD weigh stations according to the state. They do not seem to enforce though.

GVWR - truck alone. I'm over and supposed to stop. But as mentioned- it is NOT enforced. And, I don't stop.

[jerky]

Originally Posted by doc73

You would still need to technically stop, your over 5 tons. I think ependydad is the one who found the final ruling from the state. For the record, I've never stopped.

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I've said it before and I'll say it again, you do not have to stop unless you're hauling that RV commercially, it is not enforced because you do not have a dot number and company name on your pickups, these weigh stations are for anything with a dot number on it, you will never be bothered by them, but throw a number on your door and they will chase you down


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[emm-dee]

Originally Posted by jerky

I've said it before and I'll say it again, you do not have to stop unless you're hauling that RV commercially, it is not enforced because you do not have a dot number and company name on your pickups, these weigh stations are for anything with a dot number on it, you will never be bothered by them, but throw a number on your door and they will chase you down


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Now that I think back to the time I got pulled into a "checkpoint" (which just happened to be located at a weight station) I asked the inspector if I'm supposed to stop. Response was no unless they were doing the occasional safety check. In that case the RV would be notified (via flashing blue lights) of the need to stop.

If you're hauling horses into Florida you're supposed to stop at the first point for a check of proper health paperwork for the animals. They also do a "safety" check but don't bother to look at weights.

[doc73]

Originally Posted by ependydad

GVWR - truck alone. I'm over and supposed to stop. But as mentioned- it is NOT enforced. And, I don't stop.

Thanks, could not remember if it was combination or weight. I remember you putting the leg work in to get the final answer from the MD dot.

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[Ken K.]

This seems like a silly question, something similar to how many of you walk around with loaded shotguns to your head.. if you do either you had better be walking on egg shells.

[transamz9]

Originally Posted by Ken K.

This seems like a silly question, something similar to how many of you walk around with loaded shotguns to your head.. if you do either you had better be walking on egg shells.

Not no where near the same thing.

[Oaklevel]

Originally Posted by Ken K.

This seems like a silly question, something similar to how many of you walk around with loaded shotguns to your head.. if you do either you had better be walking on egg shells.

Not even close to apples & oranges in comparison...... more like apples to redwood trees....... Not at all the same............

[Rockwoodjoe]

I am right at 80% of my towing capacity. But, when I figure tongue weight, gear, passengers, bicycles on the front of the truck and two kayaks on top I am probably exceeding my truck capacity. DW says I should go on a diet.


2013 Ford f-150 5.0 3.55
2015 Rockwood 2703ws

[Oaklevel]

If you are commercial can be a different story but the likely hood of of any citation or law suit for being a little overweight is SLIM TO NONE unless it is grossly obvious........... If you are towing a 10000 lb TT with a Ranger maybe....... although a local guy has a duelly Ranger

Most of the trailers I pull don't any longer have the weight ratings due to sun fading & I have a 10000 lb permanent tag on my single axle box trailer (Way over what it can carry) And .......... you can not necessarily go by the number of studs the axle has either........... So it is not always an easy thing to prove........ one way or the other................

Doing the right thing is important being paranoid is crazy........

[CWSWine]

If you even get to set on jury in civil case you will see line on the form you fill out assigning fault that something to this effect "Was this motor vehicle operating within manufacture specs Yes or No". "If yes what percentage fault would you assign". This is a several page forum what lots of questions that all the jury has to complete then consolidated into one form. This could be as simple as more than 3 passengers in two-passenger car. So if the there is a question of being over weight as part of the case the jury will assign a percentage of the fault to be out of spec.

[Oaklevel]

Different in different places no form here, but I assume being over weight would have to brought up and proved before that point......

[CWSWine]

Originally Posted by Oaklevel

Different in different places no form here, but I assume being over weight would have to brought up and proved before that point......

Interesting - How do they assign fault? The cases I was on had assigned fault to several different conditions and assign a percentage of fault to each item. In a civil case you don't have to prove anything it has to be more likely then not and then its up to the jury to decided. These forms are not part of the normal paper work you get back from the court and if you want to find out the break down of the percentage of fault you have to request them as part of the open records act. We had to justify the percentage we assigned fault for the records incase there was a re-trial of the case.

[nomad297]

I could stack a second Windjammer on top of my current one and still be within capacities, albeit a little too tall.

Bruce

[Dogpatch]

In Canada, any vehicle weighing more than 5000 kg's (11,030 lbs) must be registered with CVSE and you have to fill out all the paperwork as a commercial vehicle. My new Ram 3500 weighs in at 5130 kg's.
I don't have to stop at weigh scales as I don't haul a commercial trailer, but to be legal, I had to do it. They know all the new trucks are over the limit and could choose to pull you over.
Also, if you are pulling over 10,000 lbs, you need to pass a test and get a special endorsement on your license here.

[Mr Havercamp]

Originally Posted by CWSWine

Interesting - How do they assign fault?

Maybe they throw darts?

[Oaklevel]

Originally Posted by CWSWine

Interesting - How do they assign fault? The cases I was on had assigned fault to several different conditions and assign a percentage of fault to each item. In a civil case you don't have to prove anything it has to be more likely then not and then its up to the jury to decided. These forms are not part of the normal paper work you get back from the court and if you want to find out the break down of the percentage of fault you have to request them as part of the open records act. We had to justify the percentage we assigned fault for the records incase there was a re-trial of the case.

I'm sure that if some one were found at a major fault an appeal would be next...... new jury......... Every state does it differently...... As always the only ones that make out money ahead are the attorneys........

[drittal]

Pretty much 3/4 diesel you see with a decent sized 5er is over GVWR. The late 90's and 00's diesel 1ton trucks pulling triple axle toy haulers are likely outside GCWR and max tow ratings. Most 1/2t towing 30'+ non ultra light travel trailers and all but small fifth wheels.

My 30FBW has a gross weight rating over my tow rating, but it has over 5000lbs CCC, and I never have that much in it. The heaviest I have been so far still left 2000lbs of payload.

[Kenny kustom]

Originally Posted by Dogpatch

In Canada, any vehicle weighing more than 5000 kg's (11,030 lbs) must be registered with CVSE and you have to fill out all the paperwork as a commercial vehicle. My new Ram 3500 weighs in at 5130 kg's.
I don't have to stop at weigh scales as I don't haul a commercial trailer, but to be legal, I had to do it. They know all the new trucks are over the limit and could choose to pull you over.
Also, if you are pulling over 10,000 lbs, you need to pass a test and get a special endorsement on your license here.

In Manitoba, as long as I'm not using my ram 3500 for commercial, I'm ok.
Still had to reg it as " other".
Big pain.
Special vehicle risk insurance had to be applied for. Paperwork.

Also, class 3 to haul over 10k.


2016 Sabre 36QBOK
2015 Ram 3500 CUMMINS

[Oaklevel]

Originally Posted by Kenny kustom

In Manitoba, as long as I'm not using my ram 3500 for commercial, I'm ok.
Still had to reg it as " other".
Big pain.
Special vehicle risk insurance had to be applied for. Paperwork.

Also, class 3 to haul over 10k.


2016 Sabre 36QBOK
2015 Ram 3500 CUMMINS

Glad we do not have any of that in Virginia......... yet...... my 3500 and the cars are the same, no extra insurance, paperwork, or lisc requirements. Truck just licensed for max. weight.