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Old 01-08-2015, 03:05 PM   #31
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Old 01-08-2015, 03:30 PM   #32
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There has always been, and I guess always will be, a lot of confusion over "The Towing capabilities of X Truck" I think the biggest thing people have trouble wrapping their heads around is the difference between what it can tow, and payload. Seems a lot of people do not understand (or want to?) what payload is. And it is not all the consumers fault, all the TV ads from the MFG's espouse how much weight they can tow, with the payload and the words "properly configured" in very small print. Hell, look at those stupid Toyota truck ads that were on last year, where they hooked up the space shuttle to a tundra and pulled it 100 yards and then celebrated like they just won the superbowl because they drug it a short distance, on level ground...
A "properly configured Ford Ranger with a 4 cylinder could do it as well due to the fact that zero payload was used other than whatever the tow bar weighed hooked up to the rear bumper.
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Old 01-08-2015, 04:14 PM   #33
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Payload is really simple: driver+passengers+whatever you have *in* the truc
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Old 01-08-2015, 05:12 PM   #34
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I haul my Crusader around with my trusty 2012 F-150HD (payload just shy of 2200 lb). ZERO issues. 100% OEM on both the rig and the truck. No modifications to anything with the exception of installing the hitch (16K Reese manual slider). I've put about 15,000 towing miles, including a monster trip from Ontario to Key West and back.

I have CAT scaled it and I am within all ratings.

The combo feels 100% fine and I was forced into a PANIC (and I mean PANIC) stop on an Interstate this past summer and I am happy to say that the rig and truck did their job and then some. Came to a straight even stop, with no drama.
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Old 01-08-2015, 05:26 PM   #35
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Everything You Need to Know About the New Truck Tow Ratings
Personally, I like my 3/4 ton truck and it out tows any other 1/2 ton I have had.(Ford , Chevy and Dodge) I feel safer , handles so much better and all around a better towing experience.
Never had a echo boost, but I understand they are great trucks and all.

Has anybody traded a 3/4 ton f250 for a better towing f150 1/2 ton?

I like to see J2807 be used for all 1/2 3/4 and 1 ton trucks sold
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Old 01-08-2015, 10:19 PM   #36
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The springs and the axles are the big difference. The axles are larger spline count and larger diameter. The differential is larger and the ring gear thickness is larger as well. Otherwise, they are the same. However, the axle differences are substantial.
I'm not sure that this is true. The axleshafts are interchangeable between the regular and HD axles. A member on f150forum replaced his 7 lug axles with 6 lug so he could use aftermarket rims. That means same diameter, same spline count, same bearings
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Old 01-09-2015, 06:42 PM   #37
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I had a 2013 Crew Cab, Ecoboost, 2wd, MaxTow/HD Payload. It was ordered and purchased with the requirement that it tow the Fifth Wheel we wanted. Our Trailer was delivered to us @9130 lbs, pin weight ~1400lbs, I figure it is just under 10,000 loaded and rolling (empty grey, black @ 10 gallons and fresh @15 gallons). The truck never lacked for Power, stopping ability, or handling. What it did lack for was Payload. We were @ ~2350lbs of payload, with the truck rated to haul 2428lbs. This is the truck loaded for a week long vacation, everybody in the truck except me.



As I said, it did the job very well. However, after needing 4wd (thankfully without the trailer attached) a few times, it was time for a new truck. The 4wd trucks have a curb weight increase (payload decrease) of ~300lbs. I was not willing to risk it. The truck handled the weight just fine, I was fairly confident the 4x4 version would be equally fine, but I just was not going to worry about it. So I went looking for "3/4 ton" 4x4 crew cab DIESEL trucks. What did I find, they all had payload rating less than my F150! All of them (regardless of brand) were rated @ ~1950 - ~2200 lbs. I looked at a the 1 tons, and for ~$400.00 more, my payload is now 3550lbs (short bed).


Is there a big difference between the F350 and the F150, you bet! But I still contend that with the right trailer and family the F150 is more than suitable for SAFELY towing a modern light weight fifth wheel. That said, if you camp like us, and go on long vacations or go ever other weekend when the weather is right, I think the bigger trucks are right for you.
Good info but I think the payload specs may be a little off. I know on my 2014 chevy 2500hd CCSB 4x4 it is 2800lbs and the 3500 SRW is 4264. The only difference are the rear spring packs. I did the on board air with the Firestone 5k bags so I get the 3/4 ride and 1 ton capability.
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Old 01-10-2015, 12:39 AM   #38
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Good info but I think the payload specs may be a little off. I know on my 2014 chevy 2500hd CCSB 4x4 it is 2800lbs and the 3500 SRW is 4264. The only difference are the rear spring packs. I did the on board air with the Firestone 5k bags so I get the 3/4 ride and 1 ton capability.

Is that by the door jamb sticker or the brochure/propoganda? Also, gas or diesel engine?
My experience was based on door jamb stickers on diesel equipped trucks.
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I haul my Crusader around with my trusty 2012 F-150HD (payload just shy of 2200 lb). ZERO issues. 100% OEM on both the rig and the truck. No modifications to anything with the exception of installing the hitch (16K Reese manual slider). I've put about 15,000 towing miles, including a monster trip from Ontario to Key West and back.

I have CAT scaled it and I am within all ratings.

The combo feels 100% fine and I was forced into a PANIC (and I mean PANIC) stop on an Interstate this past summer and I am happy to say that the rig and truck did their job and then some. Came to a straight even stop, with no drama.
It can be done with the right configurations. You have done your homework and it works.
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Old 01-10-2015, 08:34 AM   #40
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Is that by the door jamb sticker or the brochure/propoganda? Also, gas or diesel engine?
My experience was based on door jamb stickers on diesel equipped trucks.
The problem with the stickers, at least with Fords like you and I have, is that the 250 is de-rated from the factory. If you order a 250 with the camper package (which adds the upper overload spring that is standard on the 350), it is 100% identical to the 350 SRW. Axles, brakes, frame, differentials, springs, etc. all the same. From 2011 to mid 2014 there were shorter 2" spacer blocks in the rear but as of late 2014-2015 even those are the same between the 250 and 350.
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