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Old 02-06-2016, 01:26 PM   #11
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On your tire sticker it will say "Occupants and cargo should not exceed x lbs" see where I circled below from the above pic.
OK, I have that. (I am beginning to feel senile, or stupid)........

It is Combined Weight of Occupants 2286 lbs.
Now what?
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I think until you get actual sticker information for your specified truck from manufacturer, no proper calculation can be made safely.....
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The info on the 2015 2500 is located just as you open door and look just be low seat lower jam. This what it looks like silver. Click in pic to enlarge Later RJD
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OK, I have that. (I am beginning to feel senile, or stupid)........

It is Combined Weight of Occupants 2286 lbs.
Now what?
Using the link I gave you earlier and using the 2286 with hitch and 2 passenger at 150 lbs each here is the numbers.

Camper Weight You're adding approximately 500 lbs. to the truck. You have 1,786 lbs. of payload capacity. Fifth wheels typically have 20% - 25% pin weight which gives you a maximum loaded camper weight of 7,144 - 8,930 lbs.



Towing Calculator based on Truck's Payload/CCC - Towing Planner

You most likely going to exceed the axle ratings which I believe are about 6200 lbs on Chevy 2500.
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I have seen a lot of campers being pulled by trucks that were a little small. I have seen F-150 pulling 41ft campers, if it was the last camper that I was going to get and I wanted the 36CKTS which is a very nice camper then I would get it. Later on in a few years then get a 3500. If truck doesn't pull level then put air bags on. I can assure you that you will never be stopped by DOT and checked for weight, now the weight police on here and other sites might want to stop you. Just when you pull your camper just drive safe. By that I mean watch your speed, and you don't have to carry anything in your holding tanks. In America you aren't going to ever be to far from a Walmart, don't haul a lot of food around. I'm sure if you asked a question on Google you would find most people pulling big camper's with 2500 or less truck.


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The info on the 2015 2500 is located just as you open door and look just be low seat lower jam. This what it looks like silver. Click in pic to enlarge Later RJD
I DO NOT have that sticker. I have torn the truck upside down. I know what they look like, my other truck has it, every truck I have owned has it.

This one does not.
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Now open your truck manual, pull out your gvwr and gcwr as well as your rear Gawr. Gvwr is gross vehicle weight rating. This means the most your truck can weigh with occupants, pets, cargo, pin weight, fuel, etc. The gcwr is your gross combined vehicle weight rating. The combined weight of your truck and trailer need to be less than that. Rear Gawr is the gross axle weight rating of your rear axle. The weight of your loaded pin weight plus the actual hitch need to be less than that.

Ok so the very best thing to do is to load your truck up with all occupants, pets, cargo and a full tank of fuel and go weigh it at a local truck scale. See cat scales for locations. If none are close to you, You can use a local feed store or dump station scale. At the cat scale, they have 3 scale pads. You will want to put your front axle on scale pad one, rear axle on scale pad two. The printout will give you each axle weight plus a total truck weight.

Take the total scaled truck weight and subtract it from the gcwr to get your adjusted towing capacity. This is the max weight trailer you can tow. Take the total scaled truck weight and subtract it from gcwr to get your available payload. Subtract anothef 150 lbs if you haven't installed a fiver hitch yet. This is the most pin weight you can accommodate. Now take the rear axle scaled weight and subtract it from the truck rear gawr. The loaded pin weight needs to be less than this number.

Ok now let's talk loaded weights. If this is your first trailer, you do don't know how much stuff you will load into a trailer. You can approach this two ways. You could use the trailers gvwr to calculate or you can look at averages. On average people tend to add around 1500 lbs to a trailer. Some more, some less. Your usage will vary this. You could add the 1500 lbs to the dry weight and calculate a pin weight from there. Ideal pin weight is typically 20-25% of loaded weight. To give you an idea, I'm running at 21% pin weight on my sabre rear entertainment fiver.

Let's calculate some numbers on the trailer listed.

TT to-be is Cedar Creek 36CKTS, with these listed specs:
GVCR 16,407
Hitch Weight 2,407
Unloaded Vehicle Weight 12,670
Cargo Capacity 3,678

If using trailer gvwr of 16407 x 20% pin weight you get a pin weight of 3281 lbs.
If using the added weight version then unloaded weight of 12670 + 1500= 14170 lbs loaded weight.
14170 x 20% pin weight is 2834 lbs low end pin weight.
14170 x 25% pin weight is 3542 lbs higher end pin weight.

I would be pushed to capacity with my 3500 SRW chevy duramax and my loading sticker is 4000 lbs (3200 lb payload loaded ready to camp with hitch in). So no your 2500 is not going to be able to handle this trailer.
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Also tell us about your truck, we may be able to help you find some more info. Tell us crew cab, single cab etc, long bed or short bed, 4x4, you said 2015 silverado duramax but is it hd? What trim package. this all matters.
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This is my take on on running over weight. First the manufacture put limits on the truck to stay out of court but also to keep your family safe. In this case your dry 5er pin weight exceed the payload capacity of the truck so the no way you not over the manufactures maximum weighs. Both of those can be verified by VIN number. Now if you do get accident and smart lawyer figures that out you could be sitting yourself up for big law suit. Insurance will still pay but if you are found negligent for being over weight the insurance company can sue to recoup their cost of the claims they paid.
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Asquared said much better then I can. Excellent post.
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