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Old 02-06-2016, 10:27 AM   #1
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Question Towing Calculations......making me insane

I'm in the last stages of trying to figure out which Fifth Wheel to buy. I came to this Forum to help decide how much leeway I have in Towing. It is either so far off, or I am so far off, that I'm about to lose my mind.

I can't find a decent calculation model to use. I can't even find all of the numbers that the listed calculations require!!! What's worse, the calculations ask for ACTUAL trailer specs and weights, and I haven't bought it yet!

Here are the facts that I know. Maybe someone can steer me right.

TV is 2015 Chevy 2500 6.6L Diesel Duramax LTZ, 20" tires.

TT to-be is Cedar Creek 36CKTS, with these listed specs:
GVCR 16,407
Hitch Weight 2,407
Unloaded Vehicle Weight 12,670
Cargo Capacity 3,678
Tires are Westlake G rated 16"

Now.............

My first thought was that with the truck I have, if it won't pull almost any reasonable 5th Wheel sold in America, then how are they selling them at all? Surely it will!

Yet, when I put in the numbers I know from posted Chevy spec websites, including the one in the Sticky at "Changing Gears", it tells me that at that pin weight I can only pull an 8,800 lb trailer! GEEZ LOUISE!!!

We're old and we're about to spend 2/3 of our remaining retirement money on a TT that will have to be the last one ever.........and I do NOT want to make a big mistake. A lot of my questions are from my wife and have to do with layout and construction, but if I can't pull it easily, none of that matters.

I'd really, really appreciate any info and help here.

Thanks.

Bill
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Old 02-06-2016, 10:36 AM   #2
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It would be good if you post your Chevy door stickers like the one below......it will help members give you better info
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Old 02-06-2016, 11:10 AM   #3
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I wish.

The ONLY sticker on my door is that tire and loading sticker. The other one is NOT there. I have looked all over all 4 doors. Not there. Nowhere. Not in owners manual. Not on original window sticker, which I have.

It's one reason I can't figure this out.
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Old 02-06-2016, 11:42 AM   #4
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I almost assure you that you are going to exceed payload and I wouldn't be surprise if you don't even exceed you axle weights and tire limits. Here is a link and the author is on the forums. It easy to use and if you have any questions just ask. Look at my signature line and the specs of my Crusader.

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Old 02-06-2016, 11:58 AM   #5
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The 5er in my tag line below was being towed by 2013 Chevy 2500HD Diesel. After weighting the 5er I was 800 lbs over GVWR and within 150 lbs of my Max Axle Ratings and tire ratings and that was just the stuff I keep in it and all tanks empty. Fully loaded ready to camp I would exceed my axle ratings. The specs on Forest River website were dry pin of 1953 and weight of 9900 lbs. It cost me truck upgraded.

I'm called one of the "Weight Police" but I do believe before I put my love ones in the truck I want to be as safe as possible.
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sometime sticker is in glove compartment.....what does you yellow sticker says, it will tell you what maximum cargo and people to not exceed in lbs (KG)
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The only yellow sticker I have is tire info. Nothing else anywhere, not in glove box, nowhere.
I've texted truck salesman to ask, he's checking.

Regardless, this is ........... I don't know what to do.

I can't trade trucks. This is a 2 year old truck, not paid for.

There are about 50,000 folks with 5th wheels pulled by diesel 2500's on the road. If every one of them are dangerously overweight, and they don't even know it......something is just odd.
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The only yellow sticker I have is tire info. Nothing else anywhere, not in glove box, nowhere.
I've texted truck salesman to ask, he's checking.

Regardless, this is ........... I don't know what to do.

I can't trade trucks. This is a 2 year old truck, not paid for.

There are about 50,000 folks with 5th wheels pulled by diesel 2500's on the road. If every one of them are dangerously overweight, and they don't even know it......something is just odd.
That sticker is not just the tire loading but the max loading of your truck.

Now you want check that sticker you load up truck as would as if your go camping including passengers bring it to truck stop and 10 bucks you can get the weight of truck on a CAT scales. Take the front and rear axle weight add them together and subtract that from 10,000 and that will give your max payload. There probably be about 2000 lbs left for the pin weight of the 5er. The tag on the door don't include passengers, 200 lbs hitch, and other stuff you have added to your truck.

I though the same thing and that's what the truck salesman told me that I could tow a 15,000 lbs plus 5er but the factory uses pin weights percentage that are impossible to find in the real world and truck with ZERO options installed.

My 2013 2500HD and payload of 2475 but scale weights left me with 1980 in payload for the 5ers pin weight.
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On your tire sticker it will say "Occupants and cargo should not exceed x lbs" see where I circled below from the above pic.
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I cannot find RGAWR anywhere. The only sticker I have gives ONLY the tire size and tire pressure. Period. There is no tag on the door.

I can go weigh the truck, and if that gives me actual front and rear axle weights.

But I would think that there would be a manufacturer's listing SOMEWHERE giving me SOME idea of the information that would be on that door plate if it DID exist!
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