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Old 05-22-2018, 05:51 PM   #1
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Towing fifth wheel with my f250 diesel.

PLEASE do not flame me regarding this post. I know I am towing over my max. Iíve been helped with this before, but I am still concerned about my GAWR and would like to have someone who really knows how to figure out how much I am over my limit give me a hand. Been towing in many arduous situations for 4 years and never had an issue YET. This is long and anyone who is willing to read and evaluate I greatly appreciate. I have f350 springs on my 2008 f250 diesel long bed truck. Has Michelin tires rated at 3145 lbs now. Click image for larger version

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ID:	172977I ordered my truck new and the order package on invoice showed only difference btw 250 and 350 was the 350 badge and springs. The 350 option was 180$ more. The sales man said I would be unhappy with a 350 cause of the ride. Well I ended up later getting a fifth wheel with a 12,847 dry weight. It has 7000 lb axles and tires rated at 3900 lbs at 100 psi. I run them at 85 psi, I have TPM on all tires. I will try to include all placards and info needed. Ie, scale weights etc. one thing I notice is a f350 shows 1200 more lbs more on the GAWR than a f250 with NO diff in the truck EXCEPT the springs and badge. Ie; same frame, rear end, shocks, rims, and brakes. I know for legal purposes I am probably over using the door plaque on my F250. I know there is other factors to consider for safety like stopping and handling, However all I am interested in is please getting someoneís assistance with is the GAWR . technically the GAWR is the same now as a f350. With that said I am NOT using F350 numbers to compute this. Here is my info.
TRUCK GAWR is 6,100lbs
GVWR IS 10,000lbs
Scales: truck axle wt with Rv hitched up is 6,360. Fully loaded with ALL normal cargo and full tank. Truck Bed empty.
See all attached pics for info. If you need something else please ask. Thanks for assisting me. I wish I could get a dually.
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Old 05-22-2018, 05:56 PM   #2
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Look on door jamb of driver's door for placard showing Cargo Carrying Capacity. List what that is.
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Old 05-22-2018, 06:04 PM   #3
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Old 05-22-2018, 06:06 PM   #4
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Yes. But if Cargo Carrying Capacity (Payload) is listed, I am missing it. I am old, don't see well, I admit. Is it there?
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Old 05-22-2018, 06:12 PM   #5
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If I am reading correct, you are at 11,300lbs. This is 1300 lbs over your 10k gvwr... but your rear axle is only slightly over by 260lbs. Is that loaded as you travel? Food,water,people and critters in tow vehicle?
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Old 05-22-2018, 06:41 PM   #6
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I used to tow a fifth wheel with my 2002 F250 powerstroke 4X4. As you said, and in my case, the 4X4 F250 powerstroke had the same running gear as a single rear wheel F350, with the exception of one added leaf on the rear springs. To address this issue and to maintain a reasonable empty ride, I added Firestone air bags under the rear with an on-board air compressor that I could adjust on the fly. That way I could level my truck, no matter the load. A state trooper acquaintance told me regarding weight, that they would look at the tire side wall for maximum load capacity at max inflation. If you were good on that point, he was satisfied. I can not speak to any other ruling or law concerning this. Growing up and moving a lot of farm equipment and implements around, I always pulled whatever I felt was capable and safe. This flies in the face of many of the weight police opinions here. I understand they have their opinions and do not question their sincerity.

All that being said, my F350 dually makes a much more capable and safe feeling tow vehicle than the old F250....even if it was (almost) similarly equipped.
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Old 05-22-2018, 06:42 PM   #7
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Yes fully loaded except for groceries.
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Old 05-22-2018, 06:43 PM   #8
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BT,DT. Towed my 13,742GVWR fiver scaled at 13,500 pounds with a 2500 DA Chevy. For three years it was the absolute worst towing experience of my life! Swapped ot for a dually and never looked back. BTW my truck scaled 10,500 loaded ready to go, so Im right there where you are. The old adage, " you cant make a silk purse out of a sows ear" is as true today as it was a hundred years ago. Instead of putting band aids on your truck, do yourself a favor and upgrade to a truck that actually can handle the trailers GVWR.
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Old 05-22-2018, 08:10 PM   #9
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Bandj , the truckís CGVW (combined gross vech weight) can be 23,500 lbs. (truck and Rv together fully loaded. ) Is that what u r asking?
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You say you are concerned about GAWR, and want to know how much over that you are.


You are 260 lbs over your Rear GAWR in the configuration you weighed it in.



If your looking for some sort of analysis that would give you additional GAWR, that's a different question and will result in wild speculative swings.


OBTW - you are 70 lbs over your tire capacity too.





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