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Old 11-16-2015, 03:50 PM   #41
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Over my payload - NOT!

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While I hate to be the weight police, you do know that you are over your payload, correct?
I'm over, or the guy with the eb and the 14000 lb 36 footer?

Anyway, checked my last weigh scale ticket and with my 8285IKWS loaded up it came up as steer axle 3480, drive axle 4480, trailer axle 7800, gross weight 15760. My 8285IKWS is supposed to be 8018 dry. My Ram is supposed to tow 10,500 max.
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Old 11-16-2015, 04:07 PM   #42
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I'm over, or the guy with the eb and the 14000 lb 36 footer?

Anyway, checked my last weigh scale ticket and with my 8285IKWS loaded up it came up as steer axle 3480, drive axle 4480, trailer axle 7800, gross weight 15760. My 8285IKWS is supposed to be 8018 dry. My Ram is supposed to tow 10,500 max.
payload is not tow weight... its the weight you can put in the truck. So with your Trailer weight, you and everything in your goods.. you are over payload.

Check the yellow sticker on your truck door.

subtract from that your hitch weight( 80 lbs), how much over 150 lbs you are, your family and dogs weight, cooler and Firewood,

a brief search showed an empty hitch weight of 1146 for your trailer (that's empty), 80 lbs for your WDH, you are probably close right there.

Notice my signature, that why I went with a 2500. the Rams have terrible payload. They will tow like the devil, but you are limited on payload.
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Old 11-16-2015, 04:31 PM   #43
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That goes for the Ram, too.

I wasn't aware of any major mechanical issues that the ram has?

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Old 11-16-2015, 06:11 PM   #44
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I'm over, or the guy with the eb and the 14000 lb 36 footer?

Anyway, checked my last weigh scale ticket and with my 8285IKWS loaded up it came up as steer axle 3480, drive axle 4480, trailer axle 7800, gross weight 15760. My 8285IKWS is supposed to be 8018 dry. My Ram is supposed to tow 10,500 max.
Maximum GVWR on a 2015 Ram 1500 is 6950lbs.

You weighed in at 7960lbs, exceeding that GVWR by 1,010lbs.

Look at the sticker inside the driver side door frame. Thwe will be 2 stickers. One white with black print. That one will have VIN and other numbers including GVWR for your truck. What does it say?
The other sticker will have yellow on it and will give you tire info and your maximum payload. What does it say?
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Old 11-16-2015, 06:30 PM   #45
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I have a 1 ton right now. My arms can't take the wear and tear of the constant movement of the steering wheel on rough roads.
what one ton do you have that causes issues like that ? my 3/4 2500 hd is as smooth a ride as any smaller truck out there in fact better then most it's a chevy
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Old 11-16-2015, 07:36 PM   #46
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Ya it's too bad the Ram 1500 w/TD has such a low payload which makes it currently about the worst choice out there for towing anything bigger than a hybrid...

I like that the EB has so much torque & mpg for a gas engine, but you have to add the pricey (& currently unavailable) HD upgrade to get the payload needed for all but the smallest 5ers. For about the same price you can get a Ram 2500/3500 w/Cummins TD....

Or, for a LOT less, you can get a Ram 2500 w/5.7 Or 6.4 Hemi... I almost bought a 2013 F150 EB w/tow package (not HD) but glad I didn't because the reduced payload would not handle the camping style we currently enjoy... Rather, I bought a 2 year-old Ram 2500 (stock & 2WD) for 1/3 the cost of a (new) F150 EB...

On long trips we put our bikes over the dinette so we have room for 2 weeks of firewood, scooters, toys, tools & coolers under the fiberglass cap... The pass-through storage is full of tubs. I've got a spare of most everything & we even bring our own FW bladder & portable waste tank for trips to state parks... We have heavy/comfy floating camping chairs stored under the master bed. The 8 cu. ft. fridge & pantry are packed and most cabinets are pretty full.

Ready-to-camp our 6,500 (empty) TT is 8,250 & I wouldn't have it any other way. I also plan to bring a couple kayaks next year so we can expand our fishing options. For really long trips I bring a 2nd TT spare aluminum rim & tire because the object that blows the first TT tire usually damages the 2nd one... Correct-size TT tires are hard to find on the road if the originals cannot be repaired...

With gas @ $2.25/gal. my 15,000 miles per year @ 16 mpg only costs me about $500 more per year than an EB @ 21 mpg. (Towing is about the same @ 9 mpg...) For $500/year difference I'd rather have the extra payload - which I also utilize to haul 3,000 lbs. of mulch, fertilizer, (FREE) firewood, etc. on a regular basis...
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Old 11-16-2015, 09:12 PM   #47
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Maximum GVWR on a 2015 Ram 1500 is 6950lbs.

You weighed in at 7960lbs, exceeding that GVWR by 1,010lbs.

Look at the sticker inside the driver side door frame. Thwe will be 2 stickers. One white with black print. That one will have VIN and other numbers including GVWR for your truck. What does it say?
The other sticker will have yellow on it and will give you tire info and your maximum payload. What does it say?
Hmm, okay, you make a startling point! I double checked ratings and towing is 10,800 lb. but payload is only 1,686. If weigh ticket is right I guess with wife and I, no pets, tool box, firewood, all the stuff in forward storage we were indeed over the payload as you say. Didn't seem to notice any issues whatsoever with handling in any situation or speed but not good numbers! Will have to trim out a lot of the junk we travel south with to get that back down within the 1,686 pounds or ditch the wife! LOL
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Old 11-16-2015, 09:33 PM   #48
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Hmm, okay, you make a startling point! I double checked ratings and towing is 10,800 lb. but payload is only 1,686. If weigh ticket is right I guess with wife and I, no pets, tool box, firewood, all the stuff in forward storage we were indeed over the payload as you say. Didn't seem to notice any issues whatsoever with handling in any situation or speed but not good numbers! Will have to trim out a lot of the junk we travel south with to get that back down within the 1,686 pounds or ditch the wife! LOL
Seems that all manufactures use a 15% pin weight to come with those tow numbers and if almost impossible to find a 5er at 15% and if you do it probably won't tow very well. They don't allow for nothing including hitch, passengers and misc cargo in manufactures numbers. Most of FR products (except rear kitchen) real life pin weights from a CAT scales run 2 to 5 percent higher than dry pin weights percentages and most pin dry pin weights run between 19 and 20%. For instance if the dry pin figures out to be 19% you can almost count on it will be between 21 and 24% with it loaded up the 5er ready to go camping.

I wish we had a thread pin to the top that should just contained CAT scales weights of different model 5ers in the real world. Not someone try to guess or using common sense trying to come up with pin/trailer weights.
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Old 11-16-2015, 09:43 PM   #49
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I towed my Rockwood with my King Ranch Ecoboost. It moved and stopped it. I camped and towed for about 20,000 km. I didn't die or kill the truck. It was overloaded from day one. I got sweet deal on a F 250 for next to nothing. Is there a difference, oh yes for sure. I won't look back now.
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Old 11-17-2015, 09:09 PM   #50
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Okay, I tow a fiver with my F-150 Ecoboost. We're pulling a Rockwood ultralight, 32' length, 7850 dry weight. We bought a 2014 model with heavy duty tow package and 3.73 rear end. Super crew with 6.5' bed (nice to have!!)



We've put 40,000 miles on the truck in 16 months, about 7,000 towing the fiver. Average mileage is in the low 10+ range. Have never gotten less than 10 mpg. Last trip from Michigan to Florida got 10.7 until we hit the Florida border then for some reason it dropped down to 10.5. We've pulled this thing from Tennessee to Colorado to the Grand Canyon to Arizona to Big Sur to Yosemite to Oregon Coast to Olympic National Park to Mount Rainier to Glacier to Denver again to Michigan to Florida in 14 months. No complaints, rides smooth and steady with plenty of get up and go. Took on the mountains at 60MPH which is the speed we try to maintain. Anything approaching 65 and mpg falls off and we are not in a hurry. That's why we are RVing. You will get all kinds of negative comments about towing with the F-150 Eco but properly outfitted it gets the job done. You asked for experience with such a rig, and there you have it. We are full timers, registered in South Dakota. Love our Rockwood, love our truck, love being on the road.

Pretty much the same story here. Not as far west as you, but all up and down the Smokeys, South Carolina, Florida, Georgia, Virginia, and Tennessee. I've put 30k miles on the truck, 6100 of them hooked.


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