Towing over TV payload

[TURBS]

So this would be bad ?

[sidney]

Originally Posted by wolfpack21643

On a side note when I bought my Mini Lite 2306 in Ohio I hauled it home and went to the DMV a few days later. The lady behind the counter asked me what the GVW of the TT was and I told her I wasn't sure to the pound but it should be in all the papers that I had just handed her. She looked than asked again. I said I don't know let me call my wife and have her get the numbers off of the side of the TT. I called and got the numbers and when I told the DMV lady she said "I'm going to add 1,000 lbs just so you don't have to worry about staying legal. She had no idea I was a cop.

I later found out that the registration cost is based on GVW and when she moved me up it cost me an extra $50.00. Go figure, I now most likely own the highest registered gross weight Mini Lite 2306 in the country. What kind of state do I live in, pick your own weight?

Isn't that the way it always is?

In my last reply I thought about mentioning the GVW at registration is just another tax... not really a safety issue.

Think about it... in states like MD, you can go to the DMV, register your TV at whatever weight you're willing to pay. Now your'e legal. Who cares about the GVWR sticker?

Ladies and Gentlemen... I rest my case.

Be safe out there Wolfpack.

Cheers

[grayfox]

Originally Posted by f1100turbo

So this would be bad ?
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NOT GOOD !!!

[Lynkage]

Originally Posted by f1100turbo

So this would be bad ?
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Nope!! That's Perrrrrrfect!!!
Makes it steer better.

Thats what the truck I saw today looked like!

[WEMig]

Originally Posted by f1100turbo

So this would be bad ?

Now thats the one that the real weight police ought to be chasing down!

[OldCoot]

And just how do you determine an overload condition caused the accident?

[myredracer]

The way I understand GCWR and GAWR ratings is that you can load the front or rear axle to it's maximum, but you cannot load the front + rear to greater than the GVWR. The following is from the the Government of BC:

- The front and rear GAWR's added together will always be great than the GVWR.

- You cannot exceed any of the three ratings.

http://www.th.gov.bc.ca/cvse/vehicle...R_brake_DL.pdf

For example, say your GAWR is 10,000 lbs, your rear GCWR is 7,000 lbs and front GCWR is 4,500 lbs. If you load your rear axle to 7,000 lbs, then you can only load the front axle to 3,000 lbs max.

Without spending more time looking on the internet, I'm pretty certain that this is the way it is. If anyone can find governmental or vehicle manufacturer's info. that refutes this, I'd like to see it.

Sorry, but if anyone thinks they can safely load their TV to front GCWR + rear GCWR, they are dead wrong. Why anyone would do that is beyond me.

Glad there is an officer of the law here to help clarify some things.

[TURBS]

I wonder if he got the " yeah its half ton towable!"

[OldCoot]

Originally Posted by OldCoot

And just how do you determine an overload condition caused the accident?

Someone please explain.

[WEMig]

Originally Posted by f1100turbo

I wonder if he got the " yeah its half ton towable!"
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Yeah, but its a FORD.

[TURBS]

Quick formulas to remember:

Curb weight + cargo weight + passengers = gross vehicle weight

Gross vehicle weight + loaded trailer weight = gross combined weight

[bakken]

Originally Posted by f1100turbo

I wonder if he got the " yeah its half ton towable!"

Maybe he replaced the original engine with an EcoBeast!
Then he would be good to go!

[sidney]

Originally Posted by myredracer

The way I understand GCWR and GAWR ratings is that you can load the front or rear axle to it's maximum, but you cannot load the front + rear to greater than the GVWR. The following is from the the Government of BC:

- The front and rear GAWR's added together will always be great than the GVWR.

- You cannot exceed any of the three ratings.

http://www.th.gov.bc.ca/cvse/vehicle...R_brake_DL.pdf

For example, say your GAWR is 10,000 lbs, your rear GCWR is 7,000 lbs and front GCWR is 4,500 lbs. If you load your rear axle to 7,000 lbs, then you can only load the front axle to 3,000 lbs max.

Without spending more time looking on the internet, I'm pretty certain that this is the way it is. If anyone can find governmental or vehicle manufacturer's info. that refutes this, I'd like to see it.

Sorry, but if anyone thinks they can safely load their TV to front GCWR + rear GCWR, they are dead wrong. Why anyone would do that is beyond me.

Glad there is an officer of the law here to help clarify some things.

Then why do they provide front and rear GAWR?

Riddle me this:

2011 RAM Laramie 2500HD CC SB SB 6.7L CTD
GVWR 9600
Front GAWR 5500
Rear GAWR 6010
Total Dry wt. 7372
Front base wt. 4583
Rear Base wt. 2789

The rear has a capacity of 6010-2789= 3221 lbs

If you place all of that 3221 lbs on the rear axle and none on the front (like a 5th wheel) you have already exceeded the GVWR. 7372+3221= 10,593

There is no way to reduce the front axle weight... 4583 is the dry weight.

Shouldn't the max rear GAWR be no greater than
GVWR 9600 - Dry wt 7372 = 2228
+
Rear base wt 2789
=
5017 lbs

[bakken]

sidney, that is one heck of a good question.
I just wish I had as good of an answer. Hopefully someone does.

[ependydad]

Originally Posted by sidney

Isn't that the way it always is?

In my last reply I thought about mentioning the GVW at registration is just another tax... not really a safety issue.

Think about it... in states like MD, you can go to the DMV, register your TV at whatever weight you're willing to pay. Now your'e legal. Who cares about the GVWR sticker?

Ladies and Gentlemen... I rest my case.

Be safe out there Wolfpack.

Cheers

When I swapped emails with the MD highway dept, they said that they use the registered weight AND the actual GVWR if you ever get stopped or are foolish enough to stop a highway scale (technically supposed to- even in just my DRW truck!).

You have to be under all of the declared weights or you could be cited (don't know for what- didn't ask).

[ependydad]

Originally Posted by OldCoot

And just how do you determine an overload condition caused the accident?

Just guessing because I don't even watch crime shows on TV or stay at holiday inns...

It's like anything else- it could be chalked up as a contributing factor. Damning an entire profession- but, "them lawyers" will twist anything the way that they want. If you're overweight and hurt someone- it's gotta be a lot worse than if you're within all specs.

Just my guess, as I said.

For me, I don't know enough about trucks to make an educated decision about which ratings to ignore so I adhere to all. Hence a dually instead of SRW and the 4.10 gears making it a fuel sucker (10mpg towing).

[OldCoot]

Originally Posted by ependydad

...It's like anything else- it could be chalked up as a contributing factor. Damning an entire profession- but, "them lawyers" will twist anything the way that they want. If you're overweight and hurt someone- it's gotta be a lot worse than if you're within all specs...

They would still have to come up with some basis for saying overweight was a contributing factor. They can't just pull it out of thin air or somewhere else and say they were overloaded. That would be like saying it was DUI without a breathalyzer or blood test or speeding without a radar gun. There has to be some proof.

[ependydad]

Originally Posted by OldCoot

They would still have to come up with some basis for saying overweight was a contributing factor. They can't just pull it out of thin air or somewhere else and say they were overloaded. That would be like saying it was DUI without a breathalyzer or blood test or speeding without a radar gun. There has to be some proof.

Your analogy doesn't work unless in reading it wrong. To me;
DUI without a breathalyzer is like an overweight citation without determining the weight of the truck/rig.

But, supposedly upon accidents (especially with deaths), the weights will be calculated after the fact. Don't know how- just based on reading in the Internet and news articles for commercial wrecks.

[bakken]

Time to take a breather and reflect on why we are here.
Thanks a bunch.

[OldCoot]

Originally Posted by ependydad

Your analogy doesn't work unless in reading it wrong. To me;
DUI without a breathalyzer is like an overweight citation without determining the weight of the truck/rig. Correct, just what I meant

But, supposedly upon accidents (especially with deaths), the weights will be calculated after the fact. Don't know how- just based on reading in the Internet and news articles for commercial wrecks.

Commercial truck/rigs have to weight and get receipts. RV's very seldom if ever weight at state scales. Kinda hard to weight things scattered all over the highway & ditches and prove it came out of the camper. Just saying.