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05-15-2018, 06:42 AM
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Towing question for 2015 F150
I recently purchased a 2018 Lacrosse 335bht w relying on dealer saying that my truck would be able to pull it.... I haven't picked it up yet due to some repairs needed and ladder installed.... Am I nuts to think my truck can pull this thing?
2015 ford f150
V6 3.55 145"
Max Tow w Trailer Braker
Payload 1764
Hitch 1210
Trailer 8744 Dry weight
37.7 '
Didn't do my homework fully and just going off my my truck says it can pull but didn't consider payload or hitch weight issues...
Thanks in advance
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05-15-2018, 06:46 AM
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The odds are against you.
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05-15-2018, 07:01 AM
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I just can't figure out why everyone figures everything on dry weight. Nobody camps in an empty trailer, NOBODY. Please use GVW!
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05-15-2018, 07:03 AM
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Here we go again... popcorn ready...
That is a lot of trailer, a recipe for white knuckle experiences... lots of surface area behind the axles. That force with the hitch as a fulcrum wants to push and pull your steering axle this way and that. The issue is you don't know your going down the road weight (with WDH / sway control hitch), how much the tongue will weigh (needs to be 10% to 15% of total trailer weight) and how much weight you are going to have riding in the truck. I would bet you will be over either truck gross weight or gross combined weight... possibly rear axle rating (GAWR). You have plenty of motor. I wonder how long it will take someone to say "yea, but can you stop it"
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05-15-2018, 07:05 AM
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towing question for 2015 F150
I have the same truck. I wouldn't be comfortable towing anything bigger than my 28' Open Range (7600# wet). Just not enough payload for much more. Fully loaded truck (with just two of us) and trailer, the truck weight is 6940#'s, only 60# under the 7000# max. Not much margin there.
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TV - 2015 Ford F150, 3.5L Ecoboost, 3.55 gears, HD Tow
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05-15-2018, 07:21 AM
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Yea, You can pull it, but can you stop it well? (did that for WolfWhistle!)
I think deep down you know you dont have the right truck for that trailer. If you haven't taken delivery of it yet, maybe you can swap deals for something a little smaller? I had an ecoboost f150 (2013) so I know that Motor is a capable one, but your experience is not going to be good I fear.
For what its worth, The camper you are considering is nearing 10K when loaded with Propane, battery and all your camping supplies.
I pull a similar size and weight trailer with my 3/4 ton that has 3200 Lbs of payload available and an 8 foot bed with crew cab. Theres simply no way I would hook up my new Camper to my old truck.
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05-15-2018, 07:48 AM
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I traded in a 2011 forest river rockwood ultra lite dry weight 5344 32.2 and didn't have much issue w pull and sway....Thanks for input and hopefully tomorrow will get some definite answers...Going to dealer and see if they have anything lighter on lot but they said only consider it as a trade in and wont cancel deal!
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05-15-2018, 07:53 AM
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I have a 16 F150 with the 5.0. My trailer is 7700#GVW and payload is 1650#. My TT is 32' long.
Your GVW is 11,300#, assuming 11% tongue weight, you're around 1240#... That's not a lot of left over weight for passengers. That 11% is based on the dry ratios, I suspect once you get your front storage loaded up, the TW will be more than 11%. What tires do you have?
FWIW... my trailer pulls Ok behind my truck. I suspect that I am right at the limits, but, haven't hit the scales yet (maybe next trip out). I've been on the road 3 times with it, each time I have tweaked the hitch before going and it has been a better and better experience. I have one more tweak to make before my next outing. BUT... I also understand that I am pushing it. I am in FL, so, no hills to speak of. I am preparing to buy a larger truck in another year or so, hopefully to minimize the financial burden a bit, otherwise, I'd do it today and feel a lot better towing. I really get no sway at all with passing traffic, but, I feel it when it's windy.
For your scenario, I would say that you have some options...
1. You haven't taken delivery yet. Is your dealer willing to do a different deal for a smaller trailer? Are they willing to put their money where their mouth is? You hitch up, drive to the scales, and prove to them that they sold you too much trailer? (doubtful since they did this to begin with)
2. Take it, go slow, keep off of highways until you feel good about it. Air up your tires to the max allowable. If it's too much, go get a larger truck. There are people with propride hitches that swear by them.
For me... I bought a BlueOx Swaypro. I like it. It's simple. It cost roughly $650 I think. I also don't have towing mirrors (use clip ons). At the end of the day, before spending $2500+ on the pro-pride and $1500 on new mirrors which I really wanted to make my truck perfect (which is a huge assumption from the start), I have decided to wait a bit with "OK" and put that money into a larger truck in the near future. So far, my only issues are in my head, knowing that I am at the upper limit, it actually pulls just fine. I haven't had any white knuckle experiences. I take it slow, and try to account for my limitations. The only real issue I have felt is that the 5.0 is really not a powerful engine for towing, your ecoboost shouldn't have that issue at all.
Hopefully that helps a bit from someone who is in a similar scenario... Personally, I wouldn't go one pound over my current weight with the F150... especially with my wife and toddler in the truck. I think once you hook up and drive it on the highway for a few miles you'll feel it and understand that opinion.
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05-15-2018, 07:53 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jpcampisano
I traded in a 2011 forest river rockwood ultra lite dry weight 5344 32.2 and didn't have much issue w pull and sway....Thanks for input and hopefully tomorrow will get some definite answers...Going to dealer and see if they have anything lighter on lot but they said only consider it as a trade in and wont cancel deal!
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Have you already exchanged money and signed papers? I’d have a hard time believing that dealer can prove to you your truck is capable of towing that safely. This opens a whole different can of worms but hopefully all works out.
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05-15-2018, 08:05 AM
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Paperwork and money is done..already made first payment but haven't took possession of it...problem is I bet they dont have anything on lot that I want...we shall see
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05-15-2018, 08:07 AM
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V6 NA or V6 EB?
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05-15-2018, 08:11 AM
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That's a dealer with absolutely no moral compass, thieves. Do you have a TV station near you that would be interested in your story? They deserve some bad publicity and I would pursue visiting as much grief on them as possible. I also wouldn't give them another dime. Telling you that a trailer of that size could be pulled with a half ton, a v6 no less, is criminal.
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05-15-2018, 08:13 AM
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Since you already have the truck I would try it, carefully with a good hitch such as Blue Ox sway pro or equalizer 4 point. However you plrobably need to plan for a truck upgrade.
the trailer is similar to mine and you truck sounds a little better then the 09 F150 I started with. Sway and power were ok but it never felt stable and even in fairly mild winds i had to get off the interstate, i even upgraded to LT tires. I kept it very local for the 1st few trips, then upgraded to 3/4 ton. night and day difference.
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05-15-2018, 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by jpcampisano
Paperwork and money is done..already made first payment but haven't took possession of it...problem is I bet they dont have anything on lot that I want...we shall see
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Wait a minute you have already made a payment (as in you have had it for 30 days +/-) but havent taken possession of it yet? I understand they are putting on a ladder, what other issues is it having?
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05-15-2018, 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Brewhedd
That's a dealer with absolutely no moral compass, thieves. Do you have a TV station near you that would be interested in your story? They deserve some bad publicity and I would pursue visiting as much grief on them as possible. I also wouldn't give them another dime. Telling you that a trailer of that size could be pulled with a half ton, a v6 no less, is criminal.
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Sadly they see something that says truck A can tow 10K pounds, and this trailer weighs 9K pounds so you are good to go! I mean My first camper I was VERY uneducated about this stuff and thought the same way, and thankfully I found this and other forums before my first purchase to teach me about what numbers I should really be watching.
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05-15-2018, 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Bikemobile
V6 NA or V6 EB?
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Im pretty sure he has the EB, if not he really has no prayer.
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05-15-2018, 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by ronheater70
Im pretty sure he has the EB, if not he really has no prayer.
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I agree, but I'm surprised it took 2 pages before anybody asked that question. OP didn't give a tow rating.
V6 NA, or V6 Ecoboost?
And what is the max tow rating of this particular vehicle?
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05-15-2018, 08:35 AM
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Your right guys, I assumed he would not consider it if he had the 3.5 TI-VCT V6, if so forget everything I said or will say.
Another quick note... if you have the EB.... a way to lessen the tongue weight (thus GCVW) is with an Andersen 1400# WDH hitch. Its ship wt. is around 65#. I think my old Reese weighed nearly 200# in total.
I caught that you've made a payment and haven't taken possession of it yet. Makes me curious, but none of my bitness.
I would absolutely try towing it based on what you already own. The things you can do to make it better is a darn good WDH hitch set up correctly / optimized. Some don't like Andersen, I love it. Stiff sidewall LT tires in original height, probably E rated (65psi front and from 65 to 80 rear) and either a set of Air Springs (board air compressor is worth its weight in gold) or possibly Stable Loads (from Torklift) only. The beautiful thing about Stable loads is you can completely turn them in or out, making the ride stiff or completely back to stock.
https://www.torklift.com/rv/stableload
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05-15-2018, 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by A32Deuce
I just can't figure out why everyone figures everything on dry weight. Nobody camps in an empty trailer, NOBODY. Please use GVW!
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I completely agree that you can't use dry weight. Nobody tows at dry weight. But most trailers have an enormous amount of cargo capacity, such that likely 95% will never even be close to GVWR either. I've seen tow behind trailers with 3000 lbs of cargo capacity. Nobody uses that much cargo capacity, unless you're a full-timer in a big 5er, or it's a toy-hauler. Use GVWR if you really want to be conservative. But that will often push you into a larger truck than is actually needed for the job.
So I prefer to recommend 1000 lbs over dry weight, as a good estimate for loaded weight on most trailers. 800 lbs for moderate sized hybrids and smaller trailers. 600 lbs for popups. For the typical situation, this is usually enough to account for factory and dealer options, plus owner cargo.
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05-15-2018, 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Bikemobile
V6 NA or V6 EB?
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He has max to so EB.
What is the GCWR for your truck since you didn't provide all of the information? From that you subtract all weight, truck weight, cargo weight, hitch weight, trailer weight, trailer cargo weight. If this shows negative then you cannot tow it.
My 2016 SCREW, 4X4, 5.0, 3.55, tow package has a GCWR of 15,200. My trailers GVWR is 7693 which leaves me 7507 for my truck, fuel, passengers, cargo, if I wanted to max it out.
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