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Old 03-28-2014, 05:30 PM   #11
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Several issues show up with your numbers.
1st, if your TT is 6500lbs fully loaded then you're maxed out on GVW. The 231KSS has a GVW of 6476lbs.
2nd the advertised TW is 514lbs. All TT's should have no less than 10% for TW. 12+% is better. So at the minimum your TW should be 650lb not 510lbs. And for optimal towing it should be at least 750lbs.
Figuring 650lbs and using your trucks CCC that leaves you with 510lbs. 550lbs for your family now puts you over your GVW.
You don't lose weight from the truck by using a WD hitch. It's still there. Next time you're hitched up go weigh everything. I guaranty you're over all your trucks ratings.

Your trucks GCVWR is 13,400. Truck 7200lbs. TT 6500lbs. That's 13700lbs. 300lbs over the GCVWR. That's not figuring how much you're over the trucks GVW. You could easily be 500+lbs over the trucks GCVWR.

Your tires are not the issue. 275/45/22 tires come with a 2469lb rating per tire. That's 4938lbs, over 1000lbs more than the RAWR of your axle.

Your low payload comes from all the bling on the Limited. Only option is to do like mentioned above and that's to add airbags. Your trucks rear springs are the limiting factor.
But in reality that won't change the fact that your door sticker of 1180lbs is the max that you should be carrying. Nature of the beast. You're only towing a few times a year so IMO I wouldn't worry too much. If you were putting 4-5000 miles a year on trips I would consider trading for another truck with better capabilities.
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Old 03-29-2014, 07:32 AM   #12
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Several issues show up with your numbers.
1st, if your TT is 6500lbs fully loaded then you're maxed out on GVW. The 231KSS has a GVW of 6476lbs.
2nd the advertised TW is 514lbs. All TT's should have no less than 10% for TW. 12+% is better. So at the minimum your TW should be 650lb not 510lbs. And for optimal towing it should be at least 750lbs.
Figuring 650lbs and using your trucks CCC that leaves you with 510lbs. 550lbs for your family now puts you over your GVW.
You don't lose weight from the truck by using a WD hitch. It's still there. Next time you're hitched up go weigh everything. I guaranty you're over all your trucks ratings.

Your trucks GCVWR is 13,400. Truck 7200lbs. TT 6500lbs. That's 13700lbs. 300lbs over the GCVWR. That's not figuring how much you're over the trucks GVW. You could easily be 500+lbs over the trucks GCVWR.

Your tires are not the issue. 275/45/22 tires come with a 2469lb rating per tire. That's 4938lbs, over 1000lbs more than the RAWR of your axle.

Your low payload comes from all the bling on the Limited. Only option is to do like mentioned above and that's to add airbags. Your trucks rear springs are the limiting factor.
But in reality that won't change the fact that your door sticker of 1180lbs is the max that you should be carrying. Nature of the beast. You're only towing a few times a year so IMO I wouldn't worry too much. If you were putting 4-5000 miles a year on trips I would consider trading for another truck with better capabilities.

Thanks for the comments. The actual Trailer shipped weight (on yellow sticker on trialer) is 5,077 and if I fully loaded it would be 6,476 (witch I don't inted to do). I know the only way to not the real weight of the TT would be to get it weighted, but in general it would probobly stay under 6,000. The TW is the biggest variable I can see and unless I get it weighted I will go with your suggestions above.

That said, how many people saftly tow 50 - 100 lbs over their Trucks GVWR and don't feel like they are destroying their truck.

From everyone's good adivse, I think I might start looking into some modes to help the truck out a little with increaseing the payload to feel comfortable not being so close to my payload. This way I don't have to worry every time we go out.

Thanks again for your advise, it has been very helpful.
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Old 03-29-2014, 08:02 AM   #13
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J007, keep in mind, the lawyer stickers, etc. have a huge safety factor built in and 200-300# over your posted wt. will not harm your vehicle in the least. Farmers over load them by 1,000's of lbs for years and don't hurt the trucks. Is it advisable, no, but 200#-300# is sure not going to do any harm. JMO.
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Old 03-29-2014, 08:10 AM   #14
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J007, keep in mind, the lawyer stickers, etc. have a huge safety factor built in and 200-300# over your posted wt. will not harm your vehicle in the least. Farmers over load them by 1,000's of lbs for years and don't hurt the trucks. Is it advisable, no, but 200#-300# is sure not going to do any harm. JMO.
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Old 03-29-2014, 08:20 AM   #15
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J007, keep in mind, the lawyer stickers, etc. have a huge safety factor built in and 200-300# over your posted wt. will not harm your vehicle in the least. Farmers over load them by 1,000's of lbs for years and don't hurt the trucks. Is it advisable, no, but 200#-300# is sure not going to do any harm. JMO.

Thaks.. this is good to know and figured, once I pick up the New TT (23IKSS) April 18th and get to tow it a few times will help aliviate the unknown.
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Stay within your tire and axle ratings and you'll be fine. A few hundred pounds over the lawyer stickers you won't notice any difference
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Stay within your tire and axle ratings and you'll be fine. A few hundred pounds over the lawyer stickers you won't notice any difference___________________________________
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J007, keep in mind, the lawyer stickers, etc. have a huge safety factor built in and 200-300# over your posted wt. will not harm your vehicle in the least. Farmers over load them by 1,000's of lbs for years and don't hurt the trucks. Is it advisable, no, but 200#-300# is sure not going to do any harm. JMO.
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When fully loaded with wife, kids and dogs I'm over on payload. I'm not sure by how much since the DW doesn't see the point to weighing, but I have to be over, 435 lbs extra takes a fair chunk out of my 1280 payload. By the towing calculators I should be running between 3000-4500 lbs trailer when they're in the truck with me, and 5700-8600 lbs without them ( max tow is 8300)

Trailer's yellow is ~6100.

So, yeah, I tow over. Should I? Probably not. But there's just no budget to trade up to a 3/4 or full ton.

Everything pulls nice, I've got plenty of stopping power and most importantly I'm comfortable driving it, so I go for it.

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When fully loaded with wife, kids and dogs I'm over on payload. I'm not sure by how much since the DW doesn't see the point to weighing, but I have to be over, 435 lbs extra takes a fair chunk out of my 1280 payload. By the towing calculators I should be running between 3000-4500 lbs trailer when they're in the truck with me, and 5700-8600 lbs without them ( max tow is 8300)

Trailer's yellow is ~6100.

So, yeah, I tow over. Should I? Probably not. But there's just no budget to trade up to a 3/4 or full ton.

Everything pulls nice, I've got plenty of stopping power and most importantly I'm comfortable driving it, so I go for it.

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