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Old 03-28-2014, 08:48 AM   #1
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Towing Question (Payload) 2013 F150 Limited

Let me just start out by saying, when Ford says Limited, they mean limited.

I have read many threads about towing and what others have encountered with towing and their payloads with 1/2 tun trucks, but wanted some advice.

We have and 2013 F150 Limited and looking to purchase a 2014 Rockwood Roo 23IKSS. The following are the specks on both the TV and TT.

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3.5L V6 Eco
145" Wheel Base
3.7 rear end
GVWR = 7,200
GCVR = 13,400
F-GAWR = 3,750
R-GAWR = 3,850
Payload rated on door for tires & suspension = 1,180
Actual payload 1,160 (got trucked weight this morning and came in at 6,040)

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GVWR = 6,500 (fully loaded)
Actual weight on yellow sticker 5,100
Tongue weight 510lbs

So if I load the care with just family (550 lbs total), weight distribution hitch (100lbs) and estimated tongue weight of trailer 433.5 (510lbs x 85% going to truck, this leave me with 76.50 lbs to put in truck. So basicly nothing will go in truck and everything distributed evenly through out trailer.

So my question is, do you think we will be fine with this trailer towing it with such a LIMITED paylod left on truck?

Thanks in advance for your advise.
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Old 03-28-2014, 09:09 AM   #2
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Where did your tongue weight figure come from? That looks to be only 10% of the sticker weight. That will only go up.
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Old 03-28-2014, 09:10 AM   #3
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Personally I think if you are careful driving, you will be more than fine...sure your close to max but like you said, you can laod/manipulate the rest of the stuff in the trailer...with the eco engine and 3.7something rear it will pull more than fine..I dont know the tow cap , but generally its payload that goes over first anyway...

My .02 is enjoy and be safe.....you obviously are aware of tow ratings so you know what your dealing with....

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Old 03-28-2014, 09:24 AM   #4
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The tongue weight is my big variable factor right now. I know it will go up and feel that if it ends up being over 600lb (knowing ths is over my payload by a little) that I could always adjust by getting rid of these 22inch tires that ford should never had put on this truck. By doing this, I may get a litte of my payload back for the lighter wheels and tires (I hope).
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Old 03-28-2014, 09:26 AM   #5
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If you're looking for opinions, here's mine: Take of the P rated tires and replace with either an LT or XL load rating. Install Firestone Ride-Rite airbags. Replace factory shocks with Bilstein 5100s or Rancho RS9000XLs. Get a good hitch like an Equalizer 4 point. Go camping and have fun.
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Old 03-28-2014, 09:31 AM   #6
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IronJ... Yes I have learned a lot from these threads and have towed a few trailers, that helps with my decision.

The biggest disapointment I have is with Ford (but then again I should have done more research) and dealer, thinking I was guying a truck that had a higher payload. I guess I will just need to adjust or move up to an F250. The limited sold me on the Red seats.

We will probobly be towing the trailer a total of 5 to 6 times a years. I just told the wife and kids they need to pack light and nothing can go in the truck.
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Dustman... Now that is a great suggestion. I can't weight to get rid of the tires. I have had the truck for less than a year and already dented two rims in pot holes for a total cost to replace of $3,800 (ouch).

New England was not ment (nor a truck that you want to us) for 22" tires.

I wonder how much these modes would cost?
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Dustman... Now that is a great suggestion. I can't weight to get rid of the tires. I have had the truck for less than a year and already dented two rims in pot holes for a total cost to replace of $3,800 (ouch).

New England was not ment (nor a truck that you want to us) for 22" tires.

I wonder how much these modes would cost?
Maybe switch to 20" wheels? I have found that I can get 20" XL rated tires for considerably less than 18" LT tires. I'd bet that with a Craigslist post you could find someone with Ford Factory 20's ready and willing to do a trade.
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Maybe switch to 20" wheels? I have found that I can get 20" XL rated tires for considerably less than 18" LT tires. I'd bet that with a Craigslist post you could find someone with Ford Factory 20's ready and willing to do a trade.

My thoughts exactly. Heck, you may be able to buy some 20s or 18s, then sell your 22s and make a little profit.
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Great idea about craigs list and swapping. Thans for the advise.

After finding out what they would cost to replace two of them, the thought of buying all four wheels an tires crossed by mind, but th dent wasn't that bad, so Ford ended up repairing the rims.

I will take a look into 20". Thanks.
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Several issues show up with your numbers.
1st, if your TT is 6500lbs fully loaded then you're maxed out on GVW. The 231KSS has a GVW of 6476lbs.
2nd the advertised TW is 514lbs. All TT's should have no less than 10% for TW. 12+% is better. So at the minimum your TW should be 650lb not 510lbs. And for optimal towing it should be at least 750lbs.
Figuring 650lbs and using your trucks CCC that leaves you with 510lbs. 550lbs for your family now puts you over your GVW.
You don't lose weight from the truck by using a WD hitch. It's still there. Next time you're hitched up go weigh everything. I guaranty you're over all your trucks ratings.

Your trucks GCVWR is 13,400. Truck 7200lbs. TT 6500lbs. That's 13700lbs. 300lbs over the GCVWR. That's not figuring how much you're over the trucks GVW. You could easily be 500+lbs over the trucks GCVWR.

Your tires are not the issue. 275/45/22 tires come with a 2469lb rating per tire. That's 4938lbs, over 1000lbs more than the RAWR of your axle.

Your low payload comes from all the bling on the Limited. Only option is to do like mentioned above and that's to add airbags. Your trucks rear springs are the limiting factor.
But in reality that won't change the fact that your door sticker of 1180lbs is the max that you should be carrying. Nature of the beast. You're only towing a few times a year so IMO I wouldn't worry too much. If you were putting 4-5000 miles a year on trips I would consider trading for another truck with better capabilities.
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Several issues show up with your numbers.
1st, if your TT is 6500lbs fully loaded then you're maxed out on GVW. The 231KSS has a GVW of 6476lbs.
2nd the advertised TW is 514lbs. All TT's should have no less than 10% for TW. 12+% is better. So at the minimum your TW should be 650lb not 510lbs. And for optimal towing it should be at least 750lbs.
Figuring 650lbs and using your trucks CCC that leaves you with 510lbs. 550lbs for your family now puts you over your GVW.
You don't lose weight from the truck by using a WD hitch. It's still there. Next time you're hitched up go weigh everything. I guaranty you're over all your trucks ratings.

Your trucks GCVWR is 13,400. Truck 7200lbs. TT 6500lbs. That's 13700lbs. 300lbs over the GCVWR. That's not figuring how much you're over the trucks GVW. You could easily be 500+lbs over the trucks GCVWR.

Your tires are not the issue. 275/45/22 tires come with a 2469lb rating per tire. That's 4938lbs, over 1000lbs more than the RAWR of your axle.

Your low payload comes from all the bling on the Limited. Only option is to do like mentioned above and that's to add airbags. Your trucks rear springs are the limiting factor.
But in reality that won't change the fact that your door sticker of 1180lbs is the max that you should be carrying. Nature of the beast. You're only towing a few times a year so IMO I wouldn't worry too much. If you were putting 4-5000 miles a year on trips I would consider trading for another truck with better capabilities.

Thanks for the comments. The actual Trailer shipped weight (on yellow sticker on trialer) is 5,077 and if I fully loaded it would be 6,476 (witch I don't inted to do). I know the only way to not the real weight of the TT would be to get it weighted, but in general it would probobly stay under 6,000. The TW is the biggest variable I can see and unless I get it weighted I will go with your suggestions above.

That said, how many people saftly tow 50 - 100 lbs over their Trucks GVWR and don't feel like they are destroying their truck.

From everyone's good adivse, I think I might start looking into some modes to help the truck out a little with increaseing the payload to feel comfortable not being so close to my payload. This way I don't have to worry every time we go out.

Thanks again for your advise, it has been very helpful.
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J007, keep in mind, the lawyer stickers, etc. have a huge safety factor built in and 200-300# over your posted wt. will not harm your vehicle in the least. Farmers over load them by 1,000's of lbs for years and don't hurt the trucks. Is it advisable, no, but 200#-300# is sure not going to do any harm. JMO.
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J007, keep in mind, the lawyer stickers, etc. have a huge safety factor built in and 200-300# over your posted wt. will not harm your vehicle in the least. Farmers over load them by 1,000's of lbs for years and don't hurt the trucks. Is it advisable, no, but 200#-300# is sure not going to do any harm. JMO.
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J007, keep in mind, the lawyer stickers, etc. have a huge safety factor built in and 200-300# over your posted wt. will not harm your vehicle in the least. Farmers over load them by 1,000's of lbs for years and don't hurt the trucks. Is it advisable, no, but 200#-300# is sure not going to do any harm. JMO.

Thaks.. this is good to know and figured, once I pick up the New TT (23IKSS) April 18th and get to tow it a few times will help aliviate the unknown.
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Stay within your tire and axle ratings and you'll be fine. A few hundred pounds over the lawyer stickers you won't notice any difference
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Stay within your tire and axle ratings and you'll be fine. A few hundred pounds over the lawyer stickers you won't notice any difference___________________________________
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J007, keep in mind, the lawyer stickers, etc. have a huge safety factor built in and 200-300# over your posted wt. will not harm your vehicle in the least. Farmers over load them by 1,000's of lbs for years and don't hurt the trucks. Is it advisable, no, but 200#-300# is sure not going to do any harm. JMO.
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When fully loaded with wife, kids and dogs I'm over on payload. I'm not sure by how much since the DW doesn't see the point to weighing, but I have to be over, 435 lbs extra takes a fair chunk out of my 1280 payload. By the towing calculators I should be running between 3000-4500 lbs trailer when they're in the truck with me, and 5700-8600 lbs without them ( max tow is 8300)

Trailer's yellow is ~6100.

So, yeah, I tow over. Should I? Probably not. But there's just no budget to trade up to a 3/4 or full ton.

Everything pulls nice, I've got plenty of stopping power and most importantly I'm comfortable driving it, so I go for it.

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When fully loaded with wife, kids and dogs I'm over on payload. I'm not sure by how much since the DW doesn't see the point to weighing, but I have to be over, 435 lbs extra takes a fair chunk out of my 1280 payload. By the towing calculators I should be running between 3000-4500 lbs trailer when they're in the truck with me, and 5700-8600 lbs without them ( max tow is 8300)

Trailer's yellow is ~6100.

So, yeah, I tow over. Should I? Probably not. But there's just no budget to trade up to a 3/4 or full ton.

Everything pulls nice, I've got plenty of stopping power and most importantly I'm comfortable driving it, so I go for it.

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