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Old 10-25-2010, 11:01 AM   #11
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4 runner, You stated yourself the answer- those 4:10 gears are the big difference here. And I agree with Dave above, the Ram with 20's automatically changed the rear end gears to 3:92, according to the option lists. Unless the rims were added later, or purchased as aftermarket. I can really tell my Ram would benefit tremendously towing with 3:92's, at least. Randy
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Old 10-26-2010, 09:18 AM   #12
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Thanks. I can double check but I'm 95% certain my truck is 3.55. It was one of the items/trade-offs I made when I was playing the "this truck with these options or that truck with those options" game.....I didn't want a white one either but .....you pays your money and you takes your chances.

I have a weight distribution hitch with 801-1000lb bars that I used on the 29' trailer (now a seasonal camper). It will be used on whatever I buy.

It sounds to me almost like the published dry hitch weight is meaningless. If the trailer can be loaded to 7000lbs, then 15% of that is 1050lbs, NOT 710lbs, which I would surmise would exceed the limits of my truck unless we all weighed 50 lbs....?
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Old 10-26-2010, 10:23 AM   #13
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I tow a 2011 2304s with my 2006 toyata tundra dc 4.7 v8 140" wheelbase.I tow in the northeast mostly in the moutains of nh,vt,ny.My truck does a good job works a little in the moutains but i would'nt hesitate to tow cross country.I get 8 to 11 mpg, i also have 4.10 gears and 4x4.Uvw sticker on my trailer 4731,23.8ft long 10.6 ft tall.
Looks like almost the same camper. What I can't figure out is why the 23' Rockwood I looked at has a 710lbs tongue weight and a 2501SS, same basic configuration but 4 feet longer and tongue weight is 200lbs less. Makes no sense to me unless it's due to the length/location of the axles.
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Old 10-26-2010, 11:32 AM   #14
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Many contributing factors can go into this equation; for instance, a slide out weighs more than a non slide model, possibly towards the front; where the kitchen is located matters as well, extra weight from the appliances add up quick. Brand of camper, frame construction materials, all can contribute to this situation. The rear end gearing is the biggest factor between your TV and his. Randy
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Old 10-26-2010, 02:05 PM   #15
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To be clear I wasn't referring to the previous poster's camper in my whine about tongue weight. I was referring to the Rockwood 2304S I am interested in buying that has a 710lb dry tongue weight:



with a larger Rockwood 2501SS with a 505lb dry tongue weight:

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Old 10-26-2010, 02:18 PM   #16
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Many contributing factors can go into this equation; for instance, a slide out weighs more than a non slide model, possibly towards the front; where the kitchen is located matters as well, extra weight from the appliances add up quick. Brand of camper, frame construction materials, all can contribute to this situation. Randy
I believe Randy hits the nail on the head concerning tongue weights. I betcha the people designing these trailers have no idea about the tongue weight until the 1st prototype is built. By then, is is too late to change the wheel placement.

A heavy tongue weight is good to prevent sway problems, but bad if someone is reproaching the maximum hitch weight or the GVWR of their tow vehicle. And depending on placement of tanks, propane, and food and supply storage, those figures can grow. I am reluctant to put an extra battery on my camper because of the heavy tongue.
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Old 10-26-2010, 03:06 PM   #17
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I tow a 2011 2304s with my 2006 toyata tundra dc 4.7 v8 140" wheelbase.I tow in the northeast mostly in the moutains of nh,vt,ny.My truck does a good job works a little in the moutains but i would'nt hesitate to tow cross country.I get 8 to 11 mpg, i also have 4.10 gears and 4x4.Uvw sticker on my trailer 4731,23.8ft long 10.6 ft tall.
Duh....I just noticed it IS THE EXACT same trailer......well that gives me some hope 4.10s or not!
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You should also bear in mind, that the camper's layout has a huge bearing on the hitch weight when loaded. Depending where the storage areas are, the tongue weight could grow sustantially ot not change at all.

As an example, our camper is a rear kitchen layout...and the weight added in the kitchen (food, dishes, water etc) offsets the weight added in the front storage. The pin weight is 15% of total unloaded or loaded.

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Old 10-26-2010, 06:38 PM   #19
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That 2304S has a HUGE deep slide, very cool U dinette! I can see on the 2501SS that the slide is much wider which means that slide is a lot heavier than the one in the 2304S, more weight aft as well which lightens up the tongue. Plus the length add on the 2501 moves more weight aft as well.

Remember, just keep that 10% on the tongue, you should be able to roll that thing at less than 6000#, tongue weight around 550#~600#.
Unless there is a huge difference in price I would get the 2501....
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Old 10-26-2010, 07:51 PM   #20
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Well, we wanted a smaller camper for those buzz around camping trips as we have a 29 footer we could yank out of the seasonal site (painful as it would be).....I was looking (i.e. drooling) at the 2501 and someone who shall remain nameless (who has lived here for 30 years) suggested I'd rather have the small one.....ahem.......we shall see.

I did see a "tongue weight scale" online. I'm wondering if it is worth the trouble? Something like $135.00 but if it saves me from a $20,000 mistake might be worth it. I just don't know how the thing works (i.e. how the heck do you use it at an RV dealer)?
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