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Old 05-10-2013, 04:08 PM   #31
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I have never had a trailer (5th wheel), this will be my first experience towing and using a travel camper.
In that case, you sure don't want to start with an unsafe outfit.
If I may be so bold, do you really need a fifth wheel that large? I think many people fall in love with these large, and yes very nice, campers, but don't consider any of the drawbacks.
Even with our 31-foot Flagstaff, there are many campgrounds we cannot get into. Sometimes I wish we had a smaller unit.
We would have liked to get a larger camper, but realised that for our purposes, it was silly. But maybe you have children, and need the extra space?
So, if you need a camper that big, a 3/4 ton is a must, and a bigger engine would be recommended. Doesn't have to be a diesel, although that would probably be a good choice.
Don't be discouraged by all of the caution people are expressing here, as we simply want to keep you and your family safe.
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Old 05-11-2013, 10:55 AM   #32
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Just wonder what you guys think...
I have a 09 chevy 2500 hd 4x4. rated 9900 lbs.
My unit dry weight is 8250 lbs. Im guessing that with the limited cargo I have in it and the unknown Im probably around 9200 lbs.
I have a oil and trans cooler. coolant temp has yet to get over 194 according to my reader plugged in not the gauge. All I have done so for is very short trips. No express way yet and it handles great so far.
To some it up I feel Im at the max safe towing.
Dumb question... How do I go about having it scaled for lbs. ??
Just go there on the interstate?? Could they write me a ticket if I was over??
Looking for feed back and thanks.
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Old 05-11-2013, 11:10 AM   #33
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Yea I learned there is a lot to consider with tow vehicles. My first tow vehicle was a chevy escalade. Yea very nice vehicle, but not made for towing! The more I learned and the more I camped, I knew the escalade had to go.
Chevy Escalade? Maybe Cadillac?
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Just wonder what you guys think...
I have a 09 chevy 2500 hd 4x4. rated 9900 lbs.
My unit dry weight is 8250 lbs. Im guessing that with the limited cargo I have in it and the unknown Im probably around 9200 lbs.
I have a oil and trans cooler. coolant temp has yet to get over 194 according to my reader plugged in not the gauge. All I have done so for is very short trips. No express way yet and it handles great so far.
To some it up I feel Im at the max safe towing.
Dumb question... How do I go about having it scaled for lbs. ??
Just go there on the interstate?? Could they write me a ticket if I was over??
Looking for feed back and thanks.

Here ya go: CAT Scale Locator | CAT Scale
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Oops typo...yes Caddilac Escalade
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Old 05-11-2013, 01:08 PM   #36
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The cat scale folks don't care what you weigh. Having the weight ticket (showing "in limits") could get you out of one if stopped "for looking overloaded."

For a 5th wheel it is easy.

1) Loaded as you would for camping, with a full tank of gas and your family aboard...

2) Pull up and onto scale pulling all the way forward placing your front wheels on the small leading scale plate.

3) Get out and make sure your rear axle is on the second plate and the camper's wheels are on the third plate.

4) Use a yard stick to reach up and push the "press to talk" button (or call them with your cell phone) to get your initial weight and tell them you will need a second "reweigh."

5) Drive to the parking area and drop the camper.

6) Drive back onto the scale and putting the truck exactly where it was before; press the button and get your second weight.

7) Go hook up your camper and go to the shack to get your weight tickets.

8) the first weigh is 10 bucks; the second is 1 dollar.

treat your family to dinner and figure out the data.
My tickets for a previous camping trip are attached.

If you subtract the truck alone weight from the combined weight you will get your true camper weight. (Compare to the camper's GVWR to make sure the camper is not overloaded)

Add the truck axles (connected) together and subtract the disconnected truck weight to get your true pin weight.

Add the truck axles (loaded) and compare to your trucks max gross weight (GVWR) to make sure the truck is not overloaded.

Compare the connected combined weight to your truck's maximum combined weight (GCWR) to make sure your truck can pull the combination.
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Old 05-12-2013, 03:12 PM   #37
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The cat scale folks don't care what you weigh. Having the weight ticket (showing "in limits") could get you out of one if stopped "for looking overloaded."

For a 5th wheel it is easy.

1) Loaded as you would for camping, with a full tank of gas and your family aboard...

2) Pull up and onto scale pulling all the way forward placing your front wheels on the small leading scale plate.

3) Get out and make sure your rear axle is on the second plate and the camper's wheels are on the third plate.

4) Use a yard stick to reach up and push the "press to talk" button (or call them with your cell phone) to get your initial weight and tell them you will need a second "reweigh."

5) Drive to the parking area and drop the camper.

6) Drive back onto the scale and putting the truck exactly where it was before; press the button and get your second weight.

7) Go hook up your camper and go to the shack to get your weight tickets.

8) the first weigh is 10 bucks; the second is 1 dollar.

treat your family to dinner and figure out the data.
My tickets for a previous camping trip are attached.

If you subtract the truck alone weight from the combined weight you will get your true camper weight. (Compare to the camper's GVWR to make sure the camper is not overloaded)

Add the truck axles (connected) together and subtract the disconnected truck weight to get your true pin weight.

Add the truck axles (loaded) and compare to your trucks max gross weight (GVWR) to make sure the truck is not overloaded.

Compare the connected combined weight to your truck's maximum combined weight (GCWR) to make sure your truck can pull the combination.
Thanks Lou,
1/2 hour away from the house is a scale. Going to head there next Friday before we head to camp. Oh and that will be 3 weekends in row.
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Old 05-12-2013, 08:13 PM   #38
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I have learn a lot here about 5th wheels campers and 1/2 ton trucks and all of the nembers that go a long with it, from curb weight to full load weight and it will screw your head up, and this the way i try to put it all together.

First off a 1/2 ton truck is not made to tow a standard 5th wheel....read the back of your book that came with the truck.

Now,trucks have a tow rating and a payload rating:

TOW RATING is the weight that the truck can tow behine it, PAYLOAD rating is the weight that the truck can carry (inside and/or in the bed of the truck).

My truck is a 2008 chevy Vortexmax 1/2 ton pick up with a 6.0 gas engine a 4:10 rear, 4 speed heavy duty automatic transmission and is equip with the heavy duty tow package....the TOW RATING for the truck is 10,500 lbs.....But the PAYLOAD is only 1,300 lbs. Now the reason i brought this up is because in 2008 the way my truck is equip it is the only 1/2 ton for 2008 that is rated to tow a 5th wheel according to the book that came with the truck It has been hard to fine a 5th wheel that would even come close to tow until last year.

I came accross a 5th wheel that is called a "LIGHT" by Open Range, it is 31' long with 3 slide outs and full load weight is 9,995 lbs (which will never be fully loaded) and a pin wieght of 1,240 lbs. I have no problem at all with the weight or power from my truck. I still have a bow in my springs when i am hooked up.

Now from what i understand other manufactures are making "LIGHT" 5th wheels as well because of 1/2 ton trucks, but the trucks need the heavy duty equipment.....I guess they could be call a "Heavy duty 1/2 ton" as they once where.
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So you're 60# below your payload. But that's before you put the 5th wheel hitch in the bed, or any passengers inside. (I'll assume you don't carry anything in the bed.)

What about rear axle GAWR? How are you on that?
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Pin weight is the weight as it leaves the factory.

It goes up even more for dealer add ons.

It goes even higher after you load your camper ready for camping.

I'm guessing your way over on ccc.
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