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Old 05-13-2013, 11:55 AM   #61
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In your mind ccc is a suggestion ?
If you'll read my first post, I'm not trying to make up anyone's mind here. This subject has been thoroughly debated on another thread. ependydad and I hashed on this quite a bit- maybe he can link to that thread for you viewing pleasure. As I stated earlier- consider that a 1/2 ton truck and a minivan have the same CCC and decide for yourself if you trust those numbers.
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I just bought my Crusader 5th 260rld and pull it with my 2004 Silverado 1/2 ton extended cab. Truck has the extra coolers, beefed up suspension, and I added timberllins for the suspension in the rear. Truck pulled my old Puma 5th "ok" but it pulls the new camper much better. When we moved out of the PUma we downsized allot of the extras we carried which I think helps. Plus I think the Crusader is a bit lighter also. I did the numbers and after calculating believe I am within the weights. We don't pull that far for just doing weekends 25-50 miles but it does seem to pull easier and smoother then the Puma ever did.
The 20% pin weight for that Crusader, fully loaded, has to be around 2000#. You could certainly be WAY over your CCC (and probably rear GAWR). Get thee to a scale!
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The 20% pin weight for that Crusader, fully loaded, has to be around 2000#. You could certainly be WAY over your CCC (and probably rear GAWR). Get thee to a scale!
Hmmm ok maybe I misunderstood the numbers. Where does the 20% pin weight number come from.. Current numbers that I have spec'd are:

Crusader 260RLD Specs

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7,764 LB. (3,522 KG )HITCH WEIGHT1,321 LB. (599 KG )CARGO CARRYING CAPACITY2,298 LB. (1,042 KG )EXTERIOR LENGTH29 FT. 11 IN. (9.1 M)EXTERIOR HEIGHT11 FT. 6 IN. (3.5 M)EXTERIOR WIDTH96 IN. (2.4 M)FRESH WATER CAPACITY60 GAL. (227 L)BLACK WATER CAPACITY35 GAL. (132 L)GRAY WATER CAPACITY70 GAL. (265 L)AWNING SIZE20 FT. (6.1 M)TIRE SIZEST225/75R15/D
I do not tow with any tanks full. And carry 500 llbs of stuff in the campers. Just DW and I in the truck, with her bijon and my lab. Lab might have to go on a diet So am I really off on my numbers? Will have to check around here for a scale.....
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I wouldn't hesitate to haul 1000# (including people) in my 1/2 T pickup, but wouldn't dream of putting 1000# of load of any kind (including people) in a minivan with the same ccc.
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Just a quick note. Just read in Trailer Life Magazine that the new 2013 Dodge Ram 3500 diesel can tow 30,000 lbs and a combined CC of 37,000 lbs. Now that is some impressive numbers. I think prior to this the max for any brand of pickup was 23,000 lbs

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That's just plain silly. That is more GCWR than any of the 3 automakers 2 ton trucks.

Kind of sounds like they are taking after the RV makers. The others will be next because they dont want to be out done by the others.
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I think dustman is just pointing out how ridiculous the load ratings are on 1/2T pickups ...
One question: As I'm sure you're aware, the SAE came out with new methods for determining tow ratings. They aren't concerned with legal liability but only safety. Did the ratings under that new system go up for 1/2 ton trucks? (I think not.)
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Here is towing chart for new 2013 Ram.....
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But they would have loaded it into the bed of a 1/2 ton truck, right? Even though the door sticker probably said they can actually carry the same weight!!!! You prove my point that, even though the door sticker doesn't say it, a 1/2 ton truck is capable of carrying a much greater load than a minivan.
Sorry not at this facility, proper truck or trailer or they (Will NOT) load. Unlike some RV dealers who just want to sell! Youroo!!
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Hmmm ok maybe I misunderstood the numbers. Where does the 20% pin weight number come from.. Current numbers that I have spec'd are:

Crusader 260RLD Specs

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7,764 LB. (3,522 KG )HITCH WEIGHT1,321 LB. (599 KG )CARGO CARRYING CAPACITY2,298 LB. (1,042 KG )
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I do not tow with any tanks full. And carry 500 llbs of stuff in the campers. Just DW and I in the truck, with her bijon and my lab. Lab might have to go on a diet So am I really off on my numbers? Will have to check around here for a scale.....
The "1321" is DRY (unloaded) hitch weight (and is an estimate). You could have 7764+2298 # total. 5er pin weight is supposed to be between 15% and 25# of total. I used 20%. If you're right that it's only 500#, then you could have a pin weight between 1240 & 2066 #. Only a scale can tell you for sure.
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The "1321" is DRY (unloaded) hitch weight (and is an estimate). You could have 7764+2298 # total. 5er pin weight is supposed to be between 15% and 25# of total. I used 20%. If you're right that it's only 500#, then you could have a pin weight between 1240 & 2066 #. Only a scale can tell you for sure.

OK thanks for the heads up. I am pretty sure on the 500 lbs as when we transferred everything I cut way back and had things in boxes on a scale when I put it back in. Even if dw adds stuff for the weekend it would only go up about 100 lbs max. So give that : My math was 7764 plus 600 would be 8364 lbs. At the 20% average would be 1672 for a pin weight before adding in me, her and the hounds. So given that number then I would be over by 200 lbs as the truck is rated at 1756 lbs for payload,.. correct?
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