Towing weight

[dustman_stx]

A Honda minivan is rated to carry over 1300 pounds. Think about that and see if you come to the conclusion that your truck rating is EXTREMELY conservative.

[prof_fate]

Originally Posted by dustman_stx

A Honda minivan is rated to carry over 1300 pounds. Think about that and see if you come to the conclusion that your truck rating is EXTREMELY conservative.

Teh tires, brakes and such are not much bigger on a 150/1500 class truck than they are on a minivan and the truck weights 1000lb more.

I've always been of the opinion weight carrying is rated too low - ye olde full sized car could carry 6 adults and luggage - if one assumes 150lb people that's fine, but I don't know very many adults that are 150lbs anymore.

I'm 240, my wife (no one's reading this, right?) is over 200, three of the four women that work for me are over 200 as well, the one young that works for me is closer to 250.
I've met most of my wife's coworkers and while some may be 150 or less there are twice as many that are 250 plus.

As for the load in a honda minivan - go put 6 people in that sucker and see where the rear bumper sits. I had a windstar for years with a hitch on it and empty or with my kids in the back no issue, but with 2 'normal' aka 150lb or less) adults back there (rearmost seat) the receiver would hit leaving my driveway.

Remember that these 'weight ratings' are not figure on what max weight will break the vehicles springs or frame. They are based on things such as stopping distance, emergency handling, pothole impact, clearing speed bumps, acceleration for merging, component life, etc.

[dustman_stx]

For those that have driven minivans loaded with, say, 1300 pounds and a 1/2 ton truck with 1300 pounds- Do you feel that the minivan was way more stressed at that weight than a 1/2 ton truck? I know that the ones I've driven, including new vans like the Honda Odyssey and Toyota Sienna, you can TELL when you have it loaded, especially in the way it handles. Whereas with a truck, it doesn't feel stressed at all with ~1300 pounds in it. Tire size is actually much larger on a truck than a van- maybe not wheel diameter, but that means very little. I'd have to research before I know what differences there are in brakes. Huge differences in frame strength, springs, axles, shocks- which affect the payload and stability.

[TURBS]

Now were comparing minivans to pickups?

[dustman_stx]

Originally Posted by f1100turbo

Now were comparing minivans to pickups?

Really???? I think most people get the point.

[TURBS]

Originally Posted by dustman_stx

Really???? I think most people get the point.

A buick lesabre has a ccc of 1076

So hows that compare?

[FandRChambers]

Yea I think we are comparing apples to donuts....

[TURBS]

Originally Posted by FandRChambers

Yea I think we are comparing apples to donuts....

More like Apple's to hydraulic fluid.

[OldCoot]

I think dustman is just pointing out how ridiculous the load ratings are on 1/2T pickups when the same folks will state all sorts of facts on trucks and then load up their minivans and think nothing of it. Just my take on it.

[TURBS]

Originally Posted by OldCoot

I think dustman is just pointing out how ridiculous the load ratings are on 1/2T pickups when the same folks will state all sorts of facts on trucks and then load up their minivans and think nothing of it. Just my take on it.

But he's not taking in consideration that the minivan may have a high ccc like a half ton but its also not rated to tow 10, 000 + lbs either.

Which is why you can't compare.

[youroo]

My take on the O/P is NO! Now in regard to Mini Van,I was at my Paver yard and a Guy wanted a (Skid of Pavers) loaded in the side door(he said he removed the seats and the pavers would FIT)! The lot boy said NO,you need something that will handle a (LOT) of weight. He came back with the (SAME Mini Van) 1/2 Hr later,He put more (AIR) in the Tires?? Talk to the Hand! Youroo!!

[dustman_stx]

Not sure what is complex about the point.?.? If a minivan or a car has a CCC of 1100-1300 pounds, and everything about it is lighter and weaker, why would a truck have the same CCC? No one else finds this odd? How is comparing CCC of different types of vehicles and pointing out the fact that in no way in the real world is a car or minivan as capable of hauling 1300 pounds as a truck comparing apples to donuts?

[dustman_stx]

Originally Posted by oldcoot

i think dustman is just pointing out how ridiculous the load ratings are on 1/2t pickups when the same folks will state all sorts of facts on trucks and then load up their minivans and think nothing of it. Just my take on it.

exactly!!!!

[dustman_stx]

Originally Posted by f1100turbo

But he's not taking in consideration that the minivan may have a high ccc like a half ton but its also not rated to tow 10, 000 + lbs either.

Which is why you can't compare.

What does tow rating have to do with CCC?

Edit: I can foresee this statement being torn apart, so let me clarify. How does the tow rating of a truck somehow lower it's CCC? It doesn't. They are two independent ratings. You seem to be saying that since a truck is designed to TOW we cannot compare it's CCC to other types of vehicles and draw a conclusion that it is ludicrous to believe a truck cannot HAUL any more than a minivan or some cars.

[rosebunch]

Just a quick note. Just read in Trailer Life Magazine that the new 2013 Dodge Ram 3500 diesel can tow 30,000 lbs and a GCWR of 37,600 lbs. Now that is some impressive numbers. I think prior to this the max for any brand of pickup was 30,500 lbs

Bob

[TURBS]

Originally Posted by dustman_stx

What does tow rating have to do with CCC?

In your mind ccc is a suggestion ?

[Golflover]

I just bought my Crusader 5th 260rld and pull it with my 2004 Silverado 1/2 ton extended cab. Truck has the extra coolers, beefed up suspension, and I added timberllins for the suspension in the rear. Truck pulled my old Puma 5th "ok" but it pulls the new camper much better. When we moved out of the PUma we downsized allot of the extras we carried which I think helps. Plus I think the Crusader is a bit lighter also. I did the numbers and after calculating believe I am within the weights. We don't pull that far for just doing weekends 25-50 miles but it does seem to pull easier and smoother then the Puma ever did.

[dustman_stx]

Originally Posted by youroo

My take on the O/P is NO! Now in regard to Mini Van,I was at my Paver yard and a Guy wanted a (Skid of Pavers) loaded in the side door(he said he removed the seats and the pavers would FIT)! The lot boy said NO,you need something that will handle a (LOT) of weight. He came back with the (SAME Mini Van) 1/2 Hr later,He put more (AIR) in the Tires?? Talk to the Hand! Youroo!!

But they would have loaded it into the bed of a 1/2 ton truck, right? Even though the door sticker probably said they can actually carry the same weight!!!! You prove my point that, even though the door sticker doesn't say it, a 1/2 ton truck is capable of carrying a much greater load than a minivan.

[BarryD0706]

Originally Posted by rosebunch

Just a quick note. Just read in Trailer Life Magazine that the new 2013 Dodge Ram 3500 diesel can tow 30,000 lbs and a combined CC of 37,000 lbs. Now that is some impressive numbers. I think prior to this the max for any brand of pickup was 23,000 lbs

Bob

Ok. But those ratings are pretty meaningless for the RV world. CCC is way more important. I'm guessing these are not the new SAE standard numbers either.

[FandRChambers]

Ok I guess I understand Oldcoot's point...a little. but when I load the family in our honda mini van I don't compare it to my Dually. I guess because I don't tow or haul anything with the mini that weighs more than a our luggage. Not what I purchased it for. For argument sake, I don't think that's what they were built for either. They advertised as a family vehicle to haul the kids around in comfort etc. But some people are different. Some will haul anything, on anything that will move safe or not.