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05-03-2018, 08:15 AM
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TOWING with Ram 1500
Considering new toy hauler , possible Catalina Trail Blazer as they are fairly light and my truck is half ton. I know and I hear all the reports about towing with half tons. The Catalina GVWR is 7000 lbs. Dodge says my GCWR is 15,950
Max Trailer weight rating 10,360. GVWR is 6900 , payload 1780.
The Catalina UVWR is 4400 lbs. Does this seem doable or am I wishful thinking and pushing the limits ?
Ram is crew cab 3.92 gears 8 speed tranny.
posted this previous in wrong forum.
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05-03-2018, 08:29 AM
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Should be doable with a good WD hitch and sway control. I'm towing a lot more but changed to LT tires and airbags in the coil springs.
That Ram 1500 5.7 and 8spd is a puller.
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05-03-2018, 08:33 AM
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The unloaded weight is meaningless. The weight you need to consider is the GVWR or the maximum weight the trailer is rated for once loaded. if your trailer unloaded weights 4400lbs it will probably be closer to 6000lbs once add propane tanks, batteries, fill it with water plus load all your stuff inside.
As far as your TV is concerned, the number you need to pay attention to is the cargo capacity. This number includes everything in the truck that wasn't there when it rolled off the assembly line, including passengers.
Without knowing your exact numbers I'll make some assumptions.
Lets say your fully loaded trailer weighs 6000lbs. I'll also assume 800lbs in your truck for passengers and cargo.
Payload (1780) - cargo (800) = 980lbs left over
Trailer weight (6000) * 15% = 900lbs of tongue weight
980lbs of left over cargo weight - 900lbs of tongue weight gives you a margin of 80lbs.
Based upon these numbers, your truck is fine. However, my assumptions may be WAY off. You need to figure out our own numbers and redo the math.
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05-03-2018, 08:34 AM
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I personally think that you are pushing the limit...
I'm not the weight police, but just someone who lived through one of those white-knuckle-almost-didn't-stop-in-time moments.
In a Dodge Ram 1500 (an older one, though...).
And learned my lesson...
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05-03-2018, 08:54 AM
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about how I was figuring ,... class IV hitch if that makes any difference. I have noticed some figure different percentage for tongue weight , but like to be on safer side.
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05-03-2018, 08:57 AM
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air bags and sway bar will be on no doubt.
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05-03-2018, 09:12 AM
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being cognizant of the weight I'm pretty sure I can keep it around 6,000 lbs. I do know how to travel light. The payload issue some say driver weight is already figured at factory, what's you take on that? And thanks for your response on my post.
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05-03-2018, 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by JumpinJack
air bags and sway bar will be on no doubt.
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Air bags do nothing to add payload capacity, they only help with sagging.
You need more than just a sway bar, you need a good WDH with sway control.
Also a brake controller if the truck doesn't have an OEM one.
NO, driver is NOT figured in payload capacity numbers.
150lbs driver is figured into TOWING capacity numbers.
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4pt Equal-i-zer WDH and 1828lbs of payload capacity
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05-03-2018, 09:19 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JumpinJack
being cognizant of the weight I'm pretty sure I can keep it around 6,000 lbs. I do know how to travel light. The payload issue some say driver weight is already figured at factory, what's you take on that? And thanks for your response on my post.
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I've never seen anything concrete on this question, just alot of conjecture. To be safe, I always assume the driver is NOT included.
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05-03-2018, 09:24 AM
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The driver is included but at 150 pounds per the specification. If you weigh more just add the difference.
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05-03-2018, 09:27 AM
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yeah , hear the air bag thing , but level is good . Thanks for info.
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05-03-2018, 09:34 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bikendan
NO, driver is NOT figured in payload capacity numbers.
150lbs driver is figured into TOWING capacity numbers.
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Eh, for a while now the payload sticker on the truck has included either a 150lb or 175lb driver and a tank of gas. You can’t go anywhere without a driver and gas, silly not to include those when listing payload capacity.
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05-03-2018, 09:36 AM
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In my family we are all a bit on the larger size so I figure on 1000lbs for passengers and cargo.
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05-03-2018, 09:42 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DieselDrax
Eh, for a while now the payload sticker on the truck has included either a 150lb or 175lb driver and a tank of gas. You can’t go anywhere without a driver and gas, silly not to include those when listing payload capacity.
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Payload capacity sticker states "Occupants and cargo".
My Ford manual's towing section classifies the driver as one of the occupants, when considering payload capacity.
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and Zoe the Wonder Dog(R.I.P.)
2016 PrimeTime TracerAIR 255, pushing a 2014 Ford F150 SCREW XTR 4x4 3.5 Ecoboost w/Max Tow Package
4pt Equal-i-zer WDH and 1828lbs of payload capacity
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05-03-2018, 09:43 AM
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Be ready to take a beating from all the experts who can quote numbers but really have no knowledge of how to set a truck up and tow to 100% of rated capacity.
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05-03-2018, 10:00 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bikendan
Payload capacity sticker states "Occupants and cargo".
My Ford manual's towing section classifies the driver as one of the occupants, when considering payload capacity.
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Interesting, looks like a number of us had received some bad info over the years or misunderstood where driver weight was included. FMVSS 110 seems to have been around for quite a while and that is what defines the standard for how the weights are determined and to be listed on the placard.
https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-id..._1110&rgn=div8
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05-03-2018, 10:03 AM
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Driver weight has been included in the Towing capacity rating.
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Shawn-Musician/Entrepreneur/Wine Expert
and Zoe the Wonder Dog(R.I.P.)
2016 PrimeTime TracerAIR 255, pushing a 2014 Ford F150 SCREW XTR 4x4 3.5 Ecoboost w/Max Tow Package
4pt Equal-i-zer WDH and 1828lbs of payload capacity
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05-03-2018, 10:05 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackrock
Be ready to take a beating from all the experts who can quote numbers but really have no knowledge of how to set a truck up and tow to 100% of rated capacity.
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I dont think that is fair. I towed at 100% on my 2009 F 150 with the 2703SS Rockwood and towed at 120% with the 2013 F 150 Ecobost with the 8289WS Pin Weight at 1920 over the CCC without cargo. I was who knows what on my 1987 Mercury Grand Marquis and 1983 Corsair.
The important thing what you do Blackrock or I do is different than a newbie trying to figure it out. I would rather err on the side of caution then offer bad advice in there case.
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05-03-2018, 10:08 AM
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towed a 7k hyper lite from Michigan to bike week with two Harleys with my 14 ram 1500 5.7. Had to put timbrens on the truck because it squatted no matter what I was towing but always handled the camper just fine.
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05-03-2018, 10:28 AM
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I tow a Freedom Express 248RBS with my Ram Rebel. I have 1100lbs of cargo capacity. I'm slightly over, but still within the axle ratings with the WDH. It tows extremely well, and I have no intention of upgrading for more cargo capacity anytime soon. The trailer is right around 5500lbs dry, with a heavy tongue weight in the 800lbs range.
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