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Old 04-09-2014, 12:47 AM   #1
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Hi all! First time posting here. My wife and I have been discussing the possibilities of purchasing a fifth wheel to use when traveling next year. I've done quite a bit of reading here on the forums and I'm trying to digest as much info as possible. I'm pretty much a "newb" when it comes to fifth wheel towing and camping.

The current truck I have now is a 2013 Ram 1500 CC 4x4 5.7L HEMI w/8 speed transmission & short bed (5'7"). The axle ratio is 3.55 and is rated to tow 8600 lbs. The payload capacity is rated at 1166 lbs per the sticker on the inside of the driver's door.

We've been to two dealers so far and I wasn't overly impressed with their explanation of what my truck is capable of handling. I told them up front that I wanted to see the fifth wheels that my truck could handle and I would feel safe driving long distances with. Each salesperson showed me a few different models, one being the Rockwood 8289WS. The gentleman informed me that I would have to put air bags into my truck to help support the weight because of the coil suspension on the Ram trucks and I'd have to buy the special hitch because of the short bed of the pick up. Can my truck really handle this beast? I am EXTREMELY skeptical.

What do you guys think I should be looking at, as far as ideal weight goes, with the truck I'll be using to tow? I know I could always step up to a 2500, but I just bought the truck last summer and had no intentions of using it for towing. I absolutely love the ZF TorqueFlite 8 speed transmission, which is not offered with the 6.4L HEMI on the 2500's.

Any help, suggestions, pointers, etc is GREATLY appreciated! Like I mentioned earlier, we're in the infancy stages of researching fifth wheels and would like to hear opinions and thoughts from the experienced members here on the forum.

Thanks again!
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Old 04-09-2014, 03:14 AM   #2
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i don't know what those dealers are thinking but they don't know much and should be avoided.
have you even looked at the specs for the 8289WS?

first, your truck has a really POOR payload amount.
second, the 8289WS's bogus "dry" hitch weight of 1337lbs., is already more than your 1166 number, which is rated with only a 150lb. driver in the truck. and that's with nothing in the 5th wheel.
second, your truck's poor towing rear end ratio of 3.55 is another problem.

this is why most 1/2 ton trucks can't tow most 5th wheels. not enough payload for the heavy hitch weights.
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I was looking into so calles "half ton towable" fifth wheels to possibly tow with a Ram 1500 3.0l diesel and gave up quickly when most pin weights are well over the Ram's payload. There may be a few tiny ones out there made by other companies, which may work for you. None had the bunks that I wanted.

As for a hitch, I like the Reese sidewinder hitch better than a slider, but that is just my opinion.

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Old 04-09-2014, 06:21 AM   #4
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Welcome to the Forum.

As has been mentioned most 1/2 tons are not the best choice for fifth wheels. I had an 03 Dodge Hemi several years ago that I pulled a small 5th wheel short distances. It was probably over the trucks payload cap (because of the pin weight & cargo). The truck seemed to pull it fine on flat ground, & I did it for a while but figured out quickly that I was probably doing more harm than good to the truck.

And yes dealer are usually misinformed (trying to be nice) & rarely can tell you what a vehicle can actually tow. I have not found one yet that truly has a clue.

Good Luck on your search.

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before calculating payload from the king pin weight, you already need to add 250 lbs for the 5th wheel hitch that is part of your payload. That means there isn't a 5th wheel on the market for your truck.
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Payload capacity is your main concern. With 1,100 pounds to work with, I think you can pretty much forget about any kind of a 5th wheel.
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i don't know what those dealers are thinking but they don't know much and should be avoided.
have you even looked at the specs for the 8289WS?

first, your truck has a really POOR payload amount.
second, the 8289WS's bogus "dry" hitch weight of 1337lbs., is already more than your 1166 number, which is rated with only a 150lb. driver in the truck. and that's with nothing in the 5th wheel.
second, your truck's poor towing rear end ratio of 3.55 is another problem.

this is why most 1/2 ton trucks can't tow most 5th wheels. not enough payload for the heavy hitch weights.
X2!!!

Look at smaller TT'S or trade up for bigger truck if you must have a fifth wheel
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Sorry, but the reality is more truck or a TT. Don't look at this as negative though. Have you even looked at TT? There are many many many many floorplans out there.
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Awesome guys. Thanks so much for the informative replies. Not the answers I was hoping for, but I had a feeling these salespeople were clueless. That's exactly why I decided to post here where the real professionals could tell me what my truck could and couldn't handle.

Yes. We've looked at TT's and found a few floorplans that would work for us. It's going to be just my wife and I traveling, along with our four dogs (3 bulldogs and a morkie).

So, if I stepped up to the Ram 2500, would the 3/4 ton truck handle the Rockwood 8289WS?

If I decide to keep my 1/2 ton truck, what are some options out there in the TT lines that would work with the limitations of my truck?

Thanks so much for the info!
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Old 04-09-2014, 10:05 AM   #10
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Our first 5th wheel was purchased 3 yrs ago..it was about as small and as light a 5th we could find. We towed it with a Ford F150 that had approx 200lbs more payload than your Dodge has and had a rear end ratio of 3.73. We towed it, but it was maxed. We upgraded after that first summer to a 3/4 ton truck....we have since purchased an 8289WS like you looked at....I would never have thought of pulling that trailer with the F150 we had.
It blows my mind that dealers so easily state that the 8289 is 1/2 ton towable...do your own homework and dont rely on the dealers.
Now having said that there are some 8289 owners on this forum that are towing with Ford Ecoboost 1/2 tons...but they will tell you that their trucks were special order Heavy Duty Tow package 1/2's that have increased tow capacity, improved suspension, increased payload and likely a 4.10 rear end ratio...so like I say, do your research...maybe some of them will step in and shed more light...but one thing for sure....the current truck you have is not suitable for a 5th...but there are many TT out there that will work just fine for you.

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