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Old 06-16-2012, 10:39 PM   #11
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i know, Herk. it's amazing how complicated Honda makes their payload and towing numbers. the average person would just give up and not bother.

and the fact that Honda doesn't recommend using a WDH!
that just shows that Honda doesn't believe in their vehicles when it comes to towing.
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Old 06-17-2012, 07:09 AM   #12
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When they were talking about the WD hitch there was a strange reference to the front axle load. Maybe since it is all front weight loaded already, no more should be put up there.
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Old 06-17-2012, 07:43 AM   #13
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It does not seem real complicated to me all the info including axle ratings are there so setting it up should not be difficult. Bottom line is a 4500lb max trailer weight

4WD Ratings
GVWR: 6,096 lbs (2,765 kg)
GCWR: 9,579 lbs (4,345 kg)

Axle ratings are:
Front: 2,921 lbs (1,325 kg)
Rear: 3,362 lbs (1,525 kg)

LX Rear:3,251 lbs (1,475 kg)

A scale and these numbers should do it. And I read the WD recommendation as a guideline due to people improperly adjusting them causing damage to the SUV.

I do however believe the chosen tailer is probably too much for this SUV.


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Old 06-17-2012, 07:52 AM   #14
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John, in this case I think the GCWR is the "telling number."

If the Honda is weighed with his family and gear in it (hitch included), and then that number subtracted from the GCWR, it will show the absolute maximum camper he can tow safely.

Economically speaking, that maximum number will be smaller.
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Old 06-17-2012, 08:32 AM   #15
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I totally agree Herk, I was meerly pointing out the max numbers are very clear in the book and there is more than enough info readily available to find if you are over your numbers. I think alot of manufacturers max trailer number can exceed many of the TV's max numbers my truck being an example GVWR 8800, Max Trailer of 10400 yet it GCWR is 17,000.
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Old 06-17-2012, 10:25 AM   #16
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Thanks everyone. It's a bit confusing to me still, but here's what my actual pilot manual says: GVWR (we have 4wd) is 6095. To answer DF5.4 the GCWR is 9579 (stated as the maximum allowable weight of fully loaded vehicle and trailer). They have a page that states the maximum trailer weight based on no of occupants and assumed gear;we are two adults two little kids but assuming 4 occupants as one of the other posts says the max trailer is 4100 lbs. So if I understand everyone - if our trailer loaded is actually up to its GVWR of 4700 we're over. I guess the only way to truly see would be to weigh it as suggested, but that said it still seems like we're pushing it. Yes the dealer (both trailer and Honda) said we could pull this trailer. Two people have commented on the vehicles frontal area, can't find that in the manual? I take it many of you are not honda fans.... however for us on all other fronts it's a great vehicle - I need 4wd to get out of my yard at night on call, but family comfort and good mileage on 95% of the year (not camping). So, do we go down in trailer size, or back to a tent trailer? As bikenden says "someone should have told you how much actual fuel mileage you would get towing a full-height trailer" - nobody seems to be able to tell me that as I have gone back to the dealer and asked. Good news is they will trade.
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Sorry all for redundancy. Didn't see page two posts before I replied.
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Old 06-17-2012, 02:49 PM   #18
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I take it many of you are not honda fans.... however for us on all other fronts it's a great vehicle

Not at all. I don't care if you pull it with a team of donkeys.
Just so you and your family are safe doing so.

"Not knowing" is almost always bad.

Better to know you are taking a chance (if indeed you are - till you weigh it no one here is SURE); than think you are fine and get bit in the butt.
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Old 06-18-2012, 09:01 AM   #19
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Question few more questions

You have all been son helpful As relative newbies this has been so enlightening. I am "bemused" by what Honda advertises as it's tow capacity - but can't blame anyone else we didn't do our research. Devil's in the details.

We are definitely uncomfortable at this weight, would love to get a truck but can't. If any one knows; how do you find out the difference between towing a tent trailer and full trailer (mileage impact) - dealer doesn't know? And, what is this frontal capacity referred to in one previous post - is it the tongue weight, or the height of the trailer? Does the vehicle have a rating for that, I can't find it because I don't know what I'm looking for.
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frontal capacity is the size of the front of the trailer, the "sail".
it relates to air resistance in pulling that "barn door" through the air and how much effort the engine and drivetrain have to accomplish it.
low torque/horspower vehicles have limitations.

as far as mpg, a full-height trailer will range between 9-11 mpg.
a tent trailer can range between 14-17 mpg.
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