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Old 06-16-2012, 06:43 AM   #1
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Last year we bought a 183 roo and a 2012 Honda pilot. It's GVWR is 6000. The trailers is 4700. Prior to that we've always had tent trailers and towed with an older pilot. I am astounded at our increased gas consumption (though I expected an increase). Our vehicles reads out consumption and records trip averages. We go from 10-11 l/100km highway driving to 26-27l/100km toeing - so it more than doubles our gas consumption!! We are now wondering if this trailer is too much for our vehicle? We are considering going back to a tent trailer. Did we get something too heavy or is this a typical jump in gas towing a trailer vs a tent trailer??
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Old 06-16-2012, 07:07 AM   #2
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Last year we bought a 183 roo and a 2012 Honda pilot. It's GVWR is 6000. The trailers is 4700. Prior to that we've always had tent trailers and towed with an older pilot. I am astounded at our increased gas consumption (though I expected an increase). Our vehicles reads out consumption and records trip averages. We go from 10-11 l/100km highway driving to 26-27l/100km toeing - so it more than doubles our gas consumption!! We are now wondering if this trailer is too much for our vehicle? We are considering going back to a tent trailer. Did we get something too heavy or is this a typical jump in gas towing a trailer vs a tent trailer??

What kind of fuel mileage did you get with your pop up?

The Honda Pilot 2WD has a tow rating of 2000 pounds of trailer.
The Honda Pilot 4WD has a tow rating of 4500 pounds of trailer.

Tow Ratings are for an empty truck with a full gas tank and a 150 pound driver only. Every pound you put in the truck (above that) comes off the tow rating.

Loaded as you camp (family, gear, etc), have you driven across a CAT scale to find out what your truck and camper weighs? You could be severely overloaded or "just at max" for your truck.

Weight the connected truck and camper first; then pull into the parking area; drop the trailer and drive back on to the scales for a "re-weigh." That way you will have a true weight of the truck AND (buy subtraction) a true weight of the camper.
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Old 06-16-2012, 08:04 AM   #3
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Cool

Thanks. The pop up
Mileage we never tracked closely (didn't have fancy readout like new pilot does.) but we barely noticed it so can't have been this bad. I looked in our vehicle manual and it says 6000 - trailer and gear and passengers. You wouldn't think 4700lb trailer and 2 adults 1 child one baby plus gear would add up to 1300 lbs but maybe so. Will try to find a place to weigh it.looking more and more like its too heavy.
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Thanks. The pop up
Mileage we never tracked closely (didn't have fancy readout like new pilot does.) but we barely noticed it so can't have been this bad. I looked in our vehicle manual and it says 6000 - trailer and gear and passengers. You wouldn't think 4700lb trailer and 2 adults 1 child one baby plus gear would add up to 1300 lbs but maybe so. Will try to find a place to weigh it.looking more and more like its too heavy.
Average weight of "extras" 1,000 lbs
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Thanks. The pop up
Mileage we never tracked closely (didn't have fancy readout like new pilot does.) but we barely noticed it so can't have been this bad. I looked in our vehicle manual and it says 6000 - trailer and gear and passengers. You wouldn't think 4700lb trailer and 2 adults 1 child one baby plus gear would add up to 1300 lbs but maybe so. Will try to find a place to weigh it.looking more and more like its too heavy.
Is the 6000 lb the GVWR or GCWR? If it's the GVWR that's the max for the vehicle alone. The GCWR is the max for the vehicle and trailer combination.
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Another aspect to consider is the frontal area of your TT. It might be over the recommended maximum specs. Look into your owners manual under towing.
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As Lou already pointed out, 2000 is the maximum towing capacity for a 2012 2WD Pilot and 4500 for a 4WD. Here it is straight from Honda:

2012 Honda Pilot - Specifications - Official Honda Site

The Roo 183 has a 3391 dry weight and a 4774 GVWR (the maximum weight the trailer can weigh with all its contents).

http://www.forestriverinc.com/nd/def...&series=Expand

I think you are confusing the GVWR (its max weight with all contents) of the Pilot with its towing capacity. That trailer is a bit more than you should probably being towing with a 4WD Pilot and way over what a 2WD can handle. Just my .02.
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Old 06-16-2012, 12:31 PM   #8
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let me guess, the dealer said you'd have no problem towing this with your Pilot!

there are so many things here that could be wrong.
you could be over the Pilot's tow capacity, you could be over the Pilot's hitch capacity or you could be over the Pilot's frontal capacity.

i don't know km mileage numbers, but most towing a full-height trailer will get between 9-12 miles per gallon, no matter the size of tow vehicle.
because the trailer's air resistance is a bigger factor in gas mileage, than its weight is.

i have a friend who thought he could tow a similar sized trailer with his Pilot. after one trip, he no longer does. luckily, he also had a Chevy truck that he could use instead.

i'm sorry but the biggest trailer your Pilot should be towing should have a GVWR of 3500lbs., not 4774lbs.
and someone should have told you how much actual fuel mileage you would get towing a full-height trailer.
and i think the Pilot's 4WD tow rating of 4500lbs. is with a boat, not a full-height trailer.
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here's a link to the Pilot manual's towing info for the 4WD Pilot with factory tow package:

http://techinfo.honda.com/rjanisis/p...2/ZA1212OM.pdf

max with only 2 people/no cargo in it, is 4500lbs. and 450lbs. tongue weight.
and Honda doesn't recommend using WDHs, which is insane. this is a big reason we didn't buy a Ridgeline.
(on page 544)
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Holy Cow. Page 540 sums it up nicely.

150 pound passengers and 15 pounds of personal stuff per passenger is not even close to being accurate. My DW carries a soda and treat bag that weighs more than that.

4 people drops the trailer to 3100 pounds GROSS.
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