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Old 09-22-2013, 06:41 PM   #11
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Thank you. I am really afraid we may have jumped the gun placing a deposit on this trailer. It seemed perfect for our needs/wants. Now I am not so sure.
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Old 09-22-2013, 06:54 PM   #12
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DDC's statement of other factors in towing is correct.

but you focused simply on the "dry" weight and not any of the other numbers.

the brochure/website "dry" weight of 2818lbs. does NOT include the weights of:
awning, a/c, oven, spare tire, battery and other things. it's the weight of a stripped-down base model.
you can add 200-300lbs. to that number to get a ballpark weight of what it actually weighs when it leaves the factory.
my Roo 23SS weighed 400lbs. OVER its brochure/website "dry" weight, when it left the factory. and it only had the normal "options".
so the Clipper could weigh 3100lbs. before you add propane, water and cargo.

and the actual hitch weight of the loaded Clipper will easily exceed the Honda's spec for that. Payload is the downfall of most minivans and another weight that many forget to factor in.

and then there the frontal area limit that most minivans have. as far as i know, other than a Airstream/HiLO/TrailManor, any conventional travel trailer's frontal area will exceed any minivan's max amount.

i have to respectfully disagree with DDC's recommendation for CanAm. minivans are excellent for what they are designed for, carrying a lot of people efficiently. unfortunately, the things that make a minivan great at that, are completely opposite what's needed for a good tow vehicle.
unibody construction, front wheel drive, high drive axle ratios just to mention a few.
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Old 09-22-2013, 07:10 PM   #13
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Although your minivan may tow up to 3,500 lbs max, just make sure you have a trans cooler before you tow. This must be an external cooler (i.e not only routed thru the vehicle's radiator). Overall, just be aware of what your vehicle's tow rating and max hitch weight (check the owner's manual and your original window sticker). Do not go over the vehicle's tow ratings especially on a minivan. We previously towed a 3,000 lb pop-up with a Grand Caravan and we made sure it had a trans cooler. I've seen too many vehicles eventually fry their tranny without the cooler.
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Old 09-22-2013, 07:27 PM   #14
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I forgot to add that you should add an external tranny cooler, the lower you keep that the better.
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Old 09-22-2013, 07:35 PM   #15
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Thank you everyone for the great information. We are going to see if we can transfer that deposit money on a lighter pop up. I guess if the dealer wants to make a sale, they will work with us. Otherwise, we are out 500 bucks, but get to keep our Oddyssey running. Any recommendations with a pop up?
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Old 09-22-2013, 08:14 PM   #16
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Thank you everyone for the great information. We are going to see if we can transfer that deposit money on a lighter pop up. I guess if the dealer wants to make a sale, they will work with us. Otherwise, we are out 500 bucks, but get to keep our Oddyssey running. Any recommendations with a pop up?
I don't want to put you off but going by some on this forum if it weighs more that 32oz you might have a problem.
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Old 09-22-2013, 08:21 PM   #17
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You might check out this Honda website regarding towing.....Towing Package Odyssey - $763.16..... I would do a Google search on towing with an Odyssy . I don't think that came out right. Just do a google search and you will find plenty of dependable information. I would have no qualms towing with it.....
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Old 09-24-2013, 12:56 PM   #18
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We towed 3000 lbs of trailer with Chrysler minivans over an 8 year period. But that 3000 lbs was the loaded weight, and it was a popup. I added a 400-lb rated Single Bar WDH to support the 375lb TW, friction sway controller, 12V/braking wiring, and a Prodigy brake controller (still going strong in the Mounty!).

The problem you will find (as has been said) is the loaded weight, which you would be lucky to keep under 3500 lbs, and the frontal area. Our Chrysler minivans had a 32 sq-ft frontal area limit, which is pretty much a popup (short & wide), or a utility trailer (tall but narrow). You get something tall and wide, regardless of weight, and it's like pulling a barn door thru the wind. Airstreams will be more aerodynamic (more forgiving).

If you want to stick with the minivan, and want to get away from tent camping, I highly recommend you look into a mid-sized popup camper, with a dry weight of no more than 2500 lbs. Even better, look up the combined vehicle rating (GCVWR) for your van, subtract all of your known weights, and see what you can handle. The good thing about minivans is that they typically can handle the full 3500 lbs of trailer, and still have enough GCVWR left over for the driver AND several hundred pounds more. Truck owners often don't understand how this is possible, but the proof is in the numbers. But that few hundred pounds would not be enough to cover your family and whatever else you put in the van.

I loved our time with the van/popup combo, especially the gas mileage when NOT towing. If you have any questions about it, send me a PM.
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DDC's statement of other factors in towing is correct.

the brochure/website "dry" weight of 2818lbs. does NOT include the weights of:
awning, a/c, oven, spare tire, battery and other things. it's the weight of a stripped-down base model.
you can add 200-300lbs. to that number to get a ballpark weight of what it actually weighs when it leaves the factory.
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That is not always correct. The dry weight quoted for my TT (Surveyor) included all of that except the battery.

OP:
I cannot comment on towing with an odyssey or any minivan as far as that goes but I will say that there is all sorts of hyperbole on here about what one can tow from both sides. You need to research the facts and make the decision on your own. What is your actual hitch weight? You can alter your load in your TT to vary that amount (make sure you always have 10% of the load on your hitch). Frontal area only affects you on the highway. It will kill your gas mileage (just like everyone else) and make hills more difficult. Where are wanting to tow? Flat land? Cross country? In the mountains? What kind of load will you be taking with you? These are (some) the questions that need to be asked and answered.

Make your decision on logic and facts...not based on someone saying something and another poster going Yikes!
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While I had my popup, I spent a lot of time on www.popupexplorer.com (aka "PUX"). This is the source for anything popups. You'll find plenty of my old posts under my same username. You will find plenty of Odyssey and other minivan owners defending their ability to tow within their limits safely and effectively. You'll get lots of help there as far as your tow vehicle goes.

If you end up with a ForestRiver family popup, be sure to stick around here, too!
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