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Old 04-04-2014, 08:21 AM   #1
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Old 04-04-2014, 08:49 AM   #2
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Very interesting, I'm not a Ford guy but I admire them for being different and that will improve the market. Plus, without an efficient high power gas option from the other makes gas only devotees will flock to Ford.

It'll be interesting to watch unfold.
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Old 04-04-2014, 09:35 AM   #3
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IMO...Ford needs to ride the Ecoboost platform as long as they can as it's proven to be a good setup in the various vehicles that come with it.

I'd prefer to see more refined and turbo charged 4cy/6cy/8cy gassers offered for power and fuel economy for the everyday driver and leave the diesels for the work/tow crowd.
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Old 04-04-2014, 09:37 AM   #4
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Very interesting, I'm not a Ford guy but I admire them for being different and that will improve the market. Plus, without an efficient high power gas option from the other makes gas only devotees will flock to Ford.

It'll be interesting to watch unfold.
I have to somewhat agree and disagree with this ! As far as a high efficient high power gas motor from other makes I have to disagree Not to up to date on Chevy gas motors in their 1500 but the Ram is still putting the 5.7 Hemi in the 1500 with an 8 speed auto rated at 395hp and 410 tq and from what I hear its quite a a strong setup ! TFT tested it with the F150 Eco towing 7000# up the Ike Gaunlet and it beat the F150 Eco not by much like 2 seconds or something . IMO I think Ford will miss out on a little of the market share when Chevy and Ram (which already has a diesel) both have diesels ! It will be interesting to see unfold
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Old 04-04-2014, 10:02 AM   #5
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IMO...Ford needs to ride the Ecoboost platform as long as they can as it's proven to be a good setup in the various vehicles that come with it.

I'd prefer to see more refined and turbo charged 4cy/6cy/8cy gassers offered for power and fuel economy for the everyday driver and leave the diesels for the work/tow crowd.
The Europeans have proven beyond any argument that a turbo diesel engine is always more efficient that even the most efficient turbo gasoline engine. The American makers are far behind the Europeans on engine design (interestingly, so are the Japanese.) However we have only ourselves to blame.

Case in point. Chevy advertises their v6 option is the most fuel efficient full size truck produced today (gas engines only, they purposely do not compare the diesel Ram 1500.) However in an interview the design team lead said they expect to retail (non-commercial) consumers to select the v6 less than 10% of the time. In truth most truck buyers will never tow anything. If they do it will be something small and light. The vast majority of new truck buyers do not need anything larger than the v6, but virtually none of them will choose it.

The Big 2.5 are not going to sink money into engine design if they believe we customers do not care. Dodge/Fiat/Chysler/Ram was shocked that the first run of diesel powered 1500's sold out in less than 2 days. Ford has significant internal logistical problems because they could not build as many eco-boost motors as the market demanded. Both companies have realized they seriously misjudged the market.

I think you are absolutely correct that Ford intends to ride the Eco-Boost as far as possible. While this might have taught them other more fuel efficient platforms will sell well, they are still too cautious to pursue a small turbo-diesel option. Of course they have good reason to be reticent to try an all new diesel engine after the 6.oh no debacle.

Ram needs to figure out their supply chain problems ASAP. They could literally sell as many diesel 1500's as they can build, but their initial run was only 10,000 trucks (which again sold out on a single Friday-Saturday run).

And meanwhile Nissan is supposed to have a Cummins powered 1/2 ton in showrooms this fall.
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Old 04-04-2014, 01:22 PM   #6
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they are still too cautious to pursue a small turbo-diesel option. .
You want to talk about cautious, they were in development in 2002 of a "baby" diesel for the F-150. Everyone, and I mean everyone, on the F-150 forums was ready to trade immediately for that truck. Rumor was, they couldn't make it meet the coming 2006 emissions standards and scrapped it. I believe that Americans would embrace diesel today if given reasonable priced options. I know I would. I have a 4.6L gasser that can't tow the camper I want at just 5,600 lbs. A baby diesel would tow that easily. I don't want to have to get an F250/350 to do it.
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Stick a 6.6L Duramax in a 1500 and detune it for the market and let her buck thats what I say!

I can tell my local fuel station went back to summer fuel since last friday as i filled up yesterday and drove 110 miles and averaging 19.3 mpg.
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The Europeans have proven beyond any argument that a turbo diesel engine is always more efficient that even the most efficient turbo gasoline engine. The American makers are far behind the Europeans on engine design (interestingly, so are the Japanese.) However we have only ourselves to blame.

Case in point. Chevy advertises their v6 option is the most fuel efficient full size truck produced today (gas engines only, they purposely do not compare the diesel Ram 1500.) However in an interview the design team lead said they expect to retail (non-commercial) consumers to select the v6 less than 10% of the time. In truth most truck buyers will never tow anything. If they do it will be something small and light. The vast majority of new truck buyers do not need anything larger than the v6, but virtually none of them will choose it.

The Big 2.5 are not going to sink money into engine design if they believe we customers do not care. Dodge/Fiat/Chysler/Ram was shocked that the first run of diesel powered 1500's sold out in less than 2 days. Ford has significant internal logistical problems because they could not build as many eco-boost motors as the market demanded. Both companies have realized they seriously misjudged the market.

I think you are absolutely correct that Ford intends to ride the Eco-Boost as far as possible. While this might have taught them other more fuel efficient platforms will sell well, they are still too cautious to pursue a small turbo-diesel option. Of course they have good reason to be reticent to try an all new diesel engine after the 6.oh no debacle.

Ram needs to figure out their supply chain problems ASAP. They could literally sell as many diesel 1500's as they can build, but their initial run was only 10,000 trucks (which again sold out on a single Friday-Saturday run).

And meanwhile Nissan is supposed to have a Cummins powered 1/2 ton in showrooms this fall.
That whole thing with the RAM selling out was not entirely true to a point in that there were only a small percentage actually sold to individuals. Most were ordered by dealers for lot stock.
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Old 04-04-2014, 04:33 PM   #9
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That whole thing with the RAM selling out was not entirely true to a point in that there were only a small percentage actually sold to individuals. Most were ordered by dealers for lot stock.
The fact remains they expected to sell about 10K units in the first production cycle (year) and they were ordered within 48 hours. Try and find one on a local dealer lot. You would have an easier time getting warranty work done on a 20 year old FR unit from a dealer who did not sell it.
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The fact remains they expected to sell about 10K units in the first production cycle (year) and they were ordered within 48 hours. Try and find one on a local dealer lot. You would have an easier time getting warranty work done on a 20 year old FR unit from a dealer who did not sell it.
4 of them sitting in one dealer lot here. I see no reason to get wrapped around the axle over what I said. People like diesels and will buy them, it just annoys me to no end when manufacturers spew anything to impress people. Just like GM comparing their 5.3 ECO TEc v8 to an Eco Boost humm.
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