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10-05-2016, 05:34 PM
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Cutty
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Southeast
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TT Hitch Ball wear
I hope this is the right place to ask this question if not let me know.
We made our first long trip that took about three weeks and about 3,000 miles from Al to Penn last month. About 3/4 through the trip I noticed the hitch making noises that it never made before. When we stopped and set up I inspected the ball and it seemed to be wearing some with visible signs of brass showing through the chrome ball. I looked under the hitch where the ball rides and it seems to be wearing a grove in the back side of the hitch. I kept it lubed with silicone the rest of the trip and that seemed to help but it continued to make noise after a long day. Any ideas What would caused this and how should it be fixed or avoided or is this normal wear and tear? (as in tearing it up).......
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10-05-2016, 05:50 PM
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I put a clean smear of wheel bearing grease on the ball before trips.
Not only does it lube things but the layer of grease inside the tongue keeps the bare metal from rusting. Rusting on the inside of the tongue is what causes wear.
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10-06-2016, 08:38 AM
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I do not understand why people are hesitant to grease their hitch ball.
Over on TheHullTruth.com, a boating forum, there are HUGE arguments about it.
This is a metal on metal moving joint - Of COURSE it needs to be greased.
Don't be shy, or only give it a little silicone grease. Before every trip, I take a can of wheel bearing grease, flip it upside down and put my hitch ball in it. Get that thing covered!
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10-06-2016, 08:44 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bbcutright
I hope this is the right place to ask this question if not let me know.
We made our first long trip that took about three weeks and about 3,000 miles from Al to Penn last month. About 3/4 through the trip I noticed the hitch making noises that it never made before. When we stopped and set up I inspected the ball and it seemed to be wearing some with visible signs of brass showing through the chrome ball. I looked under the hitch where the ball rides and it seems to be wearing a grove in the back side of the hitch. I kept it lubed with silicone the rest of the trip and that seemed to help but it continued to make noise after a long day. Any ideas What would caused this and how should it be fixed or avoided or is this normal wear and tear? (as in tearing it up).......
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10-06-2016, 08:45 AM
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This is probably not the best application for silicone spray. Bearing grease is the better choice, this is a high load application. Put a plastic grocery bag over the ball when you park
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10-06-2016, 09:17 AM
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Location: SE Michigan
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First off, you want to have a forged ball, not a cheap one. That ball is the only thing between you and your trailer, or fifth wheel parting company going down the road...
It's 2 metal surfaces sliding against each other under load so it need to have a boundary lubricant applied. Chassis grease, spray grease or any grease for that matter (even KY will work)....lol
If you are wearing the plating off the ball (and plating tells me is't a cheap, not forged ball), that indicates a dry surface and the 'wearing' is not really wearing, but the coupler is seizing to the ball itself (that is what you hear, the noise).
I know, no one likes a greasy ball (gets on your clothes if you rub against it).
Myself, I cover my hitch ball when not in use, with a tennis ball with a split in it to fit over the ball. I use a bright green tennis ball that is readily seen.
A lubricated ball will also improve handling as it will allow the trailer to track truer behind the tow vehicle....
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10-06-2016, 12:44 PM
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By reading some of the replies we don't want the O.P. to think that all metal to metal surfaces should be greased. If you are using a weight distribution type hitch that has swaybars that ride on cams or a L-bracket DO NOT grease those areas. You need friction for the sway bars to operate properly.
Happy trails,
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10-06-2016, 12:44 PM
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Coachman 312BHDS
Join Date: Jul 2016
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You're scaring us with a brass loiking ball. Brass is relatively soft. Pkease pist a picture but i highly suspect you need to invest in a higher-end ball.
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10-06-2016, 12:51 PM
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He's most likely seeing the substrate that the chrome was applied to. Chrome doesn't stick to steel very well, so plating involves a coat of copper then nickel before the chrome.
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10-06-2016, 12:55 PM
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Senior Member
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My hitch was making all kinds of noise and showing some wear. I tried lithium grease on the ball and it helped some. Until it rained and then it went right back to grinding and squeaking again. The cure was bearing grease on the ball and the pivot points on my trunnion bars. With the occasional cam pop it's very quiet and no more signs of wear.
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10-06-2016, 01:25 PM
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Coachman 312BHDS
Join Date: Jul 2016
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Right - they are probably all forged with different finishes but the quality seems to vary widely with so much import stuff available. The name brand raw heat treated balls can get a bit pricy.
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Originally Posted by CJ2
He's most likely seeing the substrate that the chrome was applied to. Chrome doesn't stick to steel very well, so plating involves a coat of copper then nickel before the chrome.
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10-06-2016, 01:30 PM
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Just A Member
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Flushing, Michigan
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Yes check your ball. Make sure it is rated for the weight you are pulling. If I remember correctly chrome plated balls are only good for 6000 lbs. Mine is rated for 10000 lbs. and is not plated. Not sure what the highest rated
2 1/4 inch ball you can get is.
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10-06-2016, 01:36 PM
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Just A Member
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Flushing, Michigan
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Just checked e-trailer wow - had no idea 30,000 lbs
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10-06-2016, 01:41 PM
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Mod free 5er
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Location: Concord, NC
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tbln930
You're scaring us with a brass loiking ball. Brass is relatively soft. Pkease pist a picture but i highly suspect you need to invest in a higher-end ball.
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Brass is the base metal used to coat steel before chroming.
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10-06-2016, 02:28 PM
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Junior Member
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 28
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Grease
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Originally Posted by lugoismad
I do not understand why people are hesitant to grease their hitch ball.
Over on TheHullTruth.com, a boating forum, there are HUGE arguments about it.
This is a metal on metal moving joint - Of COURSE it needs to be greased.
Don't be shy, or only give it a little silicone grease. Before every trip, I take a can of wheel bearing grease, flip it upside down and put my hitch ball in it. Get that thing covered!
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I use teflon ball grease expensive but no sign of wear
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10-06-2016, 02:53 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bbcutright
I hope this is the right place to ask this question if not let me know.
We made our first long trip that took about three weeks and about 3,000 miles from Al to Penn last month. About 3/4 through the trip I noticed the hitch making noises that it never made before. When we stopped and set up I inspected the ball and it seemed to be wearing some with visible signs of brass showing through the chrome ball. I looked under the hitch where the ball rides and it seems to be wearing a grove in the back side of the hitch. I kept it lubed with silicone the rest of the trip and that seemed to help but it continued to make noise after a long day. Any ideas What would caused this and how should it be fixed or avoided or is this normal wear and tear? (as in tearing it up).......
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The first thing that I would verify is the ball-mount spring bar angle is correct for your loaded combination. If it's wearing like you say it is you have an interference angle problem when coupled. You need to correct that right away. As for lubricant, I use molybdenum disulphide grease. Worried about getting grease on your pants? Cover the ball with sliced tennis ball.
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10-06-2016, 06:12 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2013
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I'm on a 4-5 month trip holding up here Nashville waiting out Matthew before heading home to South Florida. About 2 weeks ago in Michigan I heard a clunking noise. Upon inspection I discovered the ball nut was coming unscrewed. Kinda freaked me out what could have happened. I found out I didn't have a 1 7/8" socket but was able tighten it up with channel locks. Since the bolt threads were somewhat chewed up so I when to a hitch shop and had it replaced with a new one. So word to the wise is to check this nut but all your nuts. LOL. But seriously could have been a dangerous mess.
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10-06-2016, 08:56 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2014
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Quote:
Originally Posted by billb800si
By reading some of the replies we don't want the O.P. to think that all metal to metal surfaces should be greased. If you are using a weight distribution type hitch that has swaybars that ride on cams or a L-bracket DO NOT grease those areas. You need friction for the sway bars to operate properly.
Happy trails,
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Our WDH requires greasing the "L" brackets where the bars sit on.
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10-06-2016, 09:18 PM
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Senior Member
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Location: SE Michigan
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What I do with my balls (no pun intended ) is, I install them, crank the nut down with an impact wrench (the nut is against a lockwasher) and then I take my wire welder and put a weld spot or 2 between the threads and the nut.
If you have to remove the ball, you can still break the nut free, but it won't come loose by itself.
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