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Old 12-07-2013, 07:50 PM   #1
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TV questions for new trailer

I have a new Solaire 307QBDSK with a dry hitch weight of 835, total dry weight of 5960, and a GVWR of 8835. These weights do not reflect the eclipse package which adds 250#.

My first TV is a 2004 Silverado C2500HD (6.0L). It shows a max trailer weight of 10,000# and max tongue weight of 1,500#. The Chevy pickup is what I plan to use almost all of the time with the exception of when I carry along any of my kid's friends when we need more seating.

My 2nd TV is a Ford expedition EL(5.4L). My owners manual shows a max trailer weight of 8,950# and a max tongue weight of 910#.

My questions are:
1) can I safely tow with the expedition?
2) if I can tow with the expedition, would it be a good idea to add a hitch like the Hensley or Propride. I'm concerned about adding to the tongue weight which seems to me to be my limiting factor.

If we don't pull with the expedition we can take 2 cars. Not ideal but if it's safer I'm willing to do that.

Other details: we don't carry any water but we do have the trailer packed pretty full. We bring bikes, etc in the truck too.

Sorry for the long post. I appreciate any feedback I can get.
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Old 12-07-2013, 07:58 PM   #2
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You would be cutting it close. You are correct about the tongue weight being your limiting factor. The Expidtion's 910 lb rating does not include the weight of the people and gear you will be loading. All of that will subtract from the rating other than a 150 lb driver.
The hitches you mentioned are excellent, but they will not increase the rating.
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Old 12-07-2013, 09:15 PM   #3
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Thanks. I really appreciate it.

If tongue weight is my issue then would I be making it worse by going with one of those hitches?

The reason I ask is that I would get one of those hitches only if I decide to never tow with the expedition.
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Old 12-07-2013, 09:25 PM   #4
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I'm not sure, but I bet they weigh more than say an Equalizer or Reece Dual Cam brand.....and yes the added weight would take away from the tongue weight rating.
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You would be cutting it close. You are correct about the tongue weight being your limiting factor. The Expidtion's 910 lb rating does not include the weight of the people and gear you will be loading. All of that will subtract from the rating other than a 150 lb driver. The hitches you mentioned are excellent, but they will not increase the rating.
Actually, from what I read of my owners manual, only the tow rating includes a 150 pound driver. The cargo carrying capacity doesn't include such a provision. The 910 pounds of carrying capacity would be reduced by the entire driver's weight.
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It probably does vary from one manufacturer to another, but most that I know of the GVWR includes 1/4 tank of gas and a 150 lb driver in a striped down model. The weight of all vehicle options plus added cargo and people (including more than a 150 lb driver) is subtracted.
The only way to know for sure the acurate ratings of your personal vehicle is to weigh it....unloaded....loaded for camping...hitched up and unhitched.
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Old 12-08-2013, 09:59 AM   #7
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Good info.

You're probably right that I should visit the scales. I've never done that but sure makes sense.
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A couple of issues here with the information given:

1) Driver weight does not have anything to do with tongue weight. Tongue weight is tongue weight. Driver weight does come off of tow ratings for trucks however most (if not all) Ford SUV's do not make that distinction.

2) GCWR is just that. There is no 150 lbs factor involved. It is what you weight on the scales. I think you are confusing it with curb weight.

OP I think you need to find your cargo rating on your Expy and then load her up. That is going to be your limiting factor (provided you stay within your TT's GVWR
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Good info.

You're probably right that I should visit the scales. I've never done that but sure makes sense.
Getting weighed is more scary than it is hard. For a travel trailer, you should get 3 weights:
1) Truck and trailer w/ WDH "engaged"
2) Truck and trailer w/ WDH "not activated" (i.e. just ball on hitch)
3) Truck only

From there, you can start to crunch the numbers of how much actual tongue weight that you have. You can then start to plan for how much payload you need for towing with either tow vehicle.

See if this helps:
How To Weigh a Travel Trailer
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Thanks again.
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