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Old 04-04-2016, 02:15 PM   #11
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I towed a 23 ft 5000lb TT with a 1987 Mercury Grand Marquis. Did not look at any ratings at all, threw air shocks in it and EZ Lift Hitch. Ran all over Ontario. The 351 with Variable Venturi Carb gave it all fuel needed to tow. 3 kids in the back seat.
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Old 04-04-2016, 02:42 PM   #12
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I tow a 33' Wildwood with my 2012 Grand Cherokee Hemi. TT at tow weight is around 6800#. Max tow on the jeep is 7400#. Probably at limits on hitch weight and I use a Blue Ox sway pro and have not had any problems. Wheelbase and total CCC are the big downsides on the jeep. Wouldn't go cross country with it but within a 2 hour radius I don't foresee any issues. 55-60mph on the hwy and right lane it.


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Old 04-04-2016, 02:54 PM   #13
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2011 Dodge Durango (3rd gen, is a unibody). I do have the v8 5.7L Hemi with the factory tow package giving a 7200 lb tow capacity and max hitch weight of 720lbs. People still call it a truck. The 25 ft Shamrock 23ws GVRW is about 6200lbs with a CCC of about 1400 lbs.

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Old 04-04-2016, 03:00 PM   #14
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2011 Dodge Durango (3rd gen, is a unibody). I do have the v8 5.7L Hemi with the factory tow package giving a 7200 lb tow capacity and max hitch weight of 720lbs. People still call it a truck. The 25 ft Shamrock 23ws GVRW is about 6200lbs with a CCC of about 1400 lbs.

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Nice. I gotta think the Durango and Grand Cherokee are basically the same vehicle when you strip off the Dodge and Jeep stuff. Do you have the air suspension in yours? Makes my jeep ride perfectly level with TT hooked up. No squat.


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Old 04-04-2016, 04:05 PM   #15
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They are cousins, but the Durango is a bit longer wheelbase. I actually am not sure if I have the air suspension. It does ride nice though.
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nice to hear about and see some fine combo's. Funny how in three post you covered ideas I had considered b4 the touareg although the MB was going to be stretching the limits. The latest x5 seems to have been crippled by a bad choice of hitch choice by BMWNA. Limited to a 2 inch ball on the factory setup i think.. My only other idea would have been a grand cherokee. The Honda is just a great design all around. Nice storage below the bed.

The funky BMW one that is limited is a special motorized one that hides when you aren't using it. I have the oem hitch that just provides a standard receiver. Use whatever size ball you want. It's rated at 600/6000


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Old 04-04-2016, 05:19 PM   #17
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It's not a unibody but it's not a pickup either - I was towing our little 3,000 pound TT with my 2015 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited (first picture). Has the max tow package (3500 pounds) and a P3 brake controller.

The Jeep pulled it just fine until we hit the highway where wind is never a Jeep's friend anyway. Seldom see 5th gear, mostly 60-65mph at around 2800rpm in 4th gear with 11mpg but add the slightest headwind or grade and it's downshifting to 3rd (3500 rpm) and sometimes even 2nd (4500 rpm). Which is really strange because the same 3.6L Pentastar V6 is rated for much more towing capacity in other vehicles. But that just seemed like I was asking too much of that engine for anything more than an hour's pull.

So last week I bought a Ram 1500 Ecodiesel (second picture). So far I've towed the TT a couple of times. Today, in fact, for about 30 miles with the cruise set at 65 and got 19mpg.

But pulling 6,000 pound trailers with mid-size SUV's is something I just can't get my head around.



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2011 Dodge Durango (3rd gen, is a unibody). I do have the v8 5.7L Hemi with the factory tow package giving a 7200 lb tow capacity and max hitch weight of 720lbs. People still call it a truck. The 25 ft Shamrock 23ws GVRW is about 6200lbs with a CCC of about 1400 lbs.

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I would like to see the design and metal work put into the dodge unibody. It may be the future of all SUV's if it can prove its worth.

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The biggest issue trying to pull a hard sided camper with a unibody SUV is that the wind profile KILLS you.

Whether its 16ft long or 23ft long really makes no difference.

I had a 23ft R-Vision Crossover that we bought specifically because it only weighted 3300 lbs dry and was "SUV Towable". It was only 90" wide and it was under 9' off the ground in height. I tried towing it with a 2011 Ford Explorer with the 3.5L V6 (5K towing capacity). We bought an Equal-I-Zer 4 point hitch. We took it on 2 trips and I traded the Explorer in. Honestly, I was afraid I would have ended up blowing up the motor at some point. Trying to stay at 60-65MPH was a chore for it....and then add a 20MPH head wind, and on our longest trip with it, it never dropped under 3500 RPM on a 4 hour drive. 2 weeks later, my wife agreed to getting a new truck. Unfortunately, we purchased an "SUV Towable" Camper....not the size camper we REALLY wanted....so after 1 year of camping in that, and after getting a bigger truck, we had to take a 15% hit on our camper to get what we really wanted.

Ultimately, I think it depends how far from home you are planning on going as well. If they're shorter trips, you can make it work. You might not enjoy the ride, but you can make it work. If longer trips are what you're planning....you will be highly disappointed.
You went from a non-turbo V6 Explorer to a Ram pickup.
I think there is a lot more benefit than just unibody vs full-frame!
1. non-turbo V6 vs V8 (I assume)
2. larger frontal area (which is a big deal to your wind-resistance concern)
3. drivetrain final drive ratios

I think the comparison the OP was really looking at here was a similar type of vehicle architecture, with either type of structure.

The Durango and Explorer are great examples.
Both used to be full-frame, but are now unibody.
Ford wimped out, and limited things to 5000 lbs on the V6. Even the Ecoboost is limited to 5000 lbs, which means the structure can't handle any more.
The Durango used to be full frame, like the older Explorer. But the new unibody Durango gets 5000 lbs in it's most basic V6 trim, even without the HD tow package. V6 with tow package gets 6500! Hemi V8 with tow package is around 7400. My point is that the new Durango's unibody structure (regardless of drivetrain) is beefy, and good for 7400 lbs (or more). The rating is limited by the drivetrain, just like most trucks.

So it's not just a simply question of full frame or unibody. It's about how it's designed. Take a full frame truck, and use thinner gage steel, and you will need to reduce the ratings, right?
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We used to own a 2011 Durango V6 though never pulled a TT with it. We put 90k miles on it before trading. It was very solid, owing to the chassis Mercedes DNA. IIRC mine had a very high payload/carrying capacity for an SUV something like 1800 lbs. The tow package included Nivomat rear shocks that self leveled.

Though the Durango switched to unibody, it retained RWD which also helps its towing ability vs. the minivan based FWD Explorer.
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