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Old 10-18-2012, 04:50 PM   #11
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My feelings on your combination are well documented here. I believe a 12,000 pound dry camper with a 2,000 pound dry pin is too much for any OLDER (prior to 2010) 2500/250 to carry empty even before you start loading it. Newer ones have higher payloads but even then 12,000 is about maxed out when you look at the pin weight effect on truck gross weight.

Pulling that camper will not be your problem; CARRYING it will be.

There are many calculators here and elsewhere.
I suggest you use a few to see what reality looks like.
"Hope for the best" is not good planning, IMO.
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Old 10-18-2012, 07:31 PM   #12
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And you didn't mention where you will be going. If mountains are in your travel plans, you will surely miss the diesel. However, if you are dead set on a gas engine, consider a 2005 or newer F-250 with the V-10. In 2005 they went to the 3V design, and it beefed up the HP and Torque. With a 4.30 rear end, it should do you very well. But really, 11,800 dry weight is a lot of trailer. I think you may be disappointed in the performance, especially when you hit the mountains.
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Old 10-18-2012, 08:33 PM   #13
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I got quite an eye opener falling for the sales pitchthat an 11,000lb camper can be towed with a half ton or 3/4 ton truck , being sceptical i did some research. After reading the dodge towing guide for my 2500 dodge with the 5.8 Hemi,and 3.73 rear end. gave me a GCWR of 15,000 lb's. With a curb wieght of 6100 lb's and max payload of 2600 left me with total GVWR of 8700 lb',. I could only tow a camper that wieghed in at 6300 lb.s.
Now that being said, part of your payload is part of your hitch wieght so depending on how much cargo and passengers you carry you can tow more. Do your home work. most truck's towing guides can be found on the internet or your dealer.

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Old 10-18-2012, 08:55 PM   #14
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I think the truck will be pushed to its max weight by alot. I would never pull anything with a gas engine and the gas engine will get BAD gas mileage.
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Old 10-18-2012, 09:05 PM   #15
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I think the truck will be pushed to its max weight by alot. I would never pull anything with a gas engine and the gas engine will get BAD gas mileage.
I love all the diesels as much as the next guy, but this is crazy. My 05 f250 v10 is rated to 15000 towing a 5th. Pin weight is always the limiting factor in any 3/4 ton, diesel or not. yes I only get 7mpg, but in my instance, I saved $10K over getting a similar truck with a diesel. That'll by an awful lot of gas!
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Old 10-18-2012, 09:12 PM   #16
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Towing guide for Dodge can be found here:
Dodge Towing Guide - By Vehicle=
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Old 10-18-2012, 09:18 PM   #17
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I think most here have said what to watch out for and they are right.

I just bought a little larger 5er (12,120lbs dry) and in all reality it was to big for my 2006 F350 SRW WITH a 6.0 diesel.

I could have beefed up the suspension added bigger brakes and an exaust brake and then put on a sway package and tuner, but then all these aftermarket parts would have been needed to be installed and I was looking at about $15,000.

Not my idea of a good time. Even though these parts are good I very much doubt they would last as long as a factory install with everything tested together like a factory truck has been tested.

I went with an F450 instead.

Take the time to be safe instead of sorry and look for minumum of a 1 ton dual rear wheel truck. A gasser will be worthless IMHO, and I am sure it will be even harder to find a used gasser with a 4.30 rearend because people who bought them wanted better gas mileage so most opted for 3.73 rearends.


Sorry for the downer opinion.
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You have to look at what your buying and what you gonna spend on it ..Gas vsr. Diesel .. The gas burner 8.1 is a good motor,will pull anything you want for less money in the tank and out the door. The diesel will cost you more out the door and in the tank because of fuel prices,but it will last you longer,and resell value will be more if you decide to sell it...
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Old 10-18-2012, 09:19 PM   #19
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Pin weight is always the limiting factor in any 3/4 ton, diesel or not.
Bearing this statement in mind the following holds true with the Dodge Rams. The gas motors have more payload than their Diesel counterpart due to engine/transmission weight. My 09 has a payload of 2749 the same configured truck with a Cummins has a payload of 2083.
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If possible get the VIN number from the truck you are going look at. At that point it is easier to look up exactly what that truck has in it. Like gear ratio etc. Be careful with the pin weight especially of the trailer. You could possibly go to a local car dealership with that vin number and ask them to look it up for you. Do your own home work and make a good decision before buying ANY truck.
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