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Old 10-08-2015, 09:30 AM   #11
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Yes, your ccc is all passengers, gear, hitch , tt tongue weight and 4 wheeler all added together then subtracted from ccc.

Basically everything you add to your truck gets subtracted from your ccc except you and fuel.

You and a full tank of full are all ready figured in.

You need a bigger truck!

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Alright, reality is settling in, sadly.

What am I figuring wrong though?
800lb atv
200lb of wife and hound's
600lb tongue weight
200lb luggage&stuff

1800lbs in the truck. That's short of the 2060lb payload. Trailer and loaded cargo in the truck should weigh 5750lb. Should I be adding the weight of the empty truck to this figure? If so, I can see I'm overloaded.

My post count shows I'm in the early stages of learning this stuff. Thanks for the education.
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Old 10-08-2015, 09:36 AM   #12
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Your missing that the tongue weight of tt is the empty weight.
Once you load the tt the tongue weight will also go up.
Average user added item is 1000 lbs.

Don't forget you have to add in your actual weight distribution hitch 100 lbs?

Also not included in tt dry weight is propane and the battery.

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Old 10-08-2015, 09:44 AM   #13
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Now one thing your missing is when you say "gear" is that everything your going to put in your camper? If so your waaaaaay low.
Clothes bedding bathroom amenities food beverages pots pans dining ware food chairs tools awning mat firewood
The list goes on!
Wait till your wife starts loading the house in your camper!

If you can load 200 lbs in your camper from empty for a week let alone a weekend, I say man your good!


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Old 10-08-2015, 09:48 AM   #14
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Dry weight of tt is 3111-hitch weight 446.
Max weight of loaded tt suggested by Rockwood is 3946 and I guessed the hitch weight going up to 600.

I'm just trying to get a rough idea of what 1/2 ton to look for. I'd really hate to leave the atv home. The wife and dog's too I guess.
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Old 10-08-2015, 09:52 AM   #15
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Yes, your ccc is all passengers, gear, hitch , tt tongue weight and 4 wheeler all added together then subtracted from ccc.

Basically everything you add to your truck gets subtracted from your ccc except you and fuel.

You and a full tank of full are all ready figured in.

You need a bigger truck!

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Although the driver is based on avg male weight of 150, so anything above it should be also subtracted from ccc.

I agree with Turbs, "You need a bigger truck!"

Not only are there are 1/2 tons turned in from leases, I'm sure you can find 3/4 and 1 tons in used fleet sales that are also being turned in. Especially those that are cheaper if they have damage or went above their lease mileage agreement for the year.

Believe me, I used to have a half ton, towed my current ultra-light TT and we were so conscientious about weight in truck and trailer. This is with the wdh, sway bars and friction bar.

But I've always felt the TT was more in control of the driving. But with my current 1 ton, I am in more control of the TT and only using wdh plus sway bars, no friction bar needed due to my truck being a dually(for my trailer, length and weight)

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Old 10-08-2015, 10:11 AM   #16
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I would venture a guess saying that your TW is between the 700-800 pound range. The reason is LB and battery are not figured into dry weight/TW factory measurement. These two (since they are mounted up front) are directly sitting on the "tongue". In addition if you add a WDH there is about 40 to 80# addition.

As for equipment on the truck, a brake controller, airbags if you need level assist that a WDH cant provide. Just a note about payload capacity, 4x4 models in 4 door have less payload and the more options you add eats into payload. LT tires! P rated tires are going to have sidewall flex and feel squishy under the weight you are looking at carrying/hauling.
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Old 10-08-2015, 10:11 AM   #17
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The 2060# cargo weight that you mention, requires each axle to carry its share, and I can't see how you can manage that with all that weight in the bed / hitch that you plan to load. Plus, Ford probably didn't consider the height of a 800# ATV and what that would do to control / sway. I still can't make the math work. If the cargo capacity is 2060# and the GVW is 7000#, that would mean the empty truck weighs 4940#... and I say on what planet?
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Old 10-08-2015, 10:15 AM   #18
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Im thinking more truck! The ATV alone can max out a 1500 series truck. Adding the hitch weight will push you over the limits long before you add bodies to the seats
atv 600 lbs would not maxout the truck
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Old 10-08-2015, 12:28 PM   #19
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If the cargo capacity is 2060# and the GVW is 7000#, that would mean the empty truck weighs 4940#... and I say on what planet?
Must be the aluminum body. Ford says it's saves them 700lbs.

I'll start looking at a Toy Hauler or stick with the old tent. Thing is, I'm looking at the truck as my daily driver and got 23mpg outa that rental on my run to work and back and won't compromise there.

Thanks everybody.
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Swandog

My 2015 F150 has a spec sheet payload of 2170# BUT actual payload is 1886 # according to sticker on driver's door.
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