Used truck; what to add?

[ksmith954]

Swandog

A typical Batt and (2) thirty LP tanks will add close to 150 lbs to tongue weight

[Swandog]

Originally Posted by ksmith954

Swandog

My 2015 F150 has a spec sheet payload of 2170# BUT actual payload is 1886 # according to sticker on driver's door.

Good info and these REAL specs are what I need to wade through. Can't rely on the RV salesman or the Ford salesman. I trust you all much more who have real world experience and it's why I joined.

My wife ain't gonna be happy about that Rockwood 1905 Sapphire edition she fell in love with.

[TURBS]

Originally Posted by Swandog

Good info and these REAL specs are what I need to wade through. Can't rely on the RV salesman or the Ford salesman. I trust you all much more who have real world experience and it's why I joined.

My wife ain't gonna be happy about that Rockwood 1905 Sapphire edition she fell in love with.

Perfect example of why you should always look @ the door sticker and not put to much faith in a online guide.

TURBS
08 duramax tuned n modded
2011 32bhok Sabre
2015 camping "27 nights"

[FrankMor]

FR includes LP in factory weight and tongue weight.

[TURBS]

Originally Posted by FrankMor

FR includes LP in factory weight and tongue weight.

No they do not.
The sticker is printed when the unit goes across the scale and there is no propane in the tanks when that happens.
If it's not in or on the camper at this point it is not included in the tongue weight or uvw.

Tanks are included.
Also the battery is not included.

TURBS
08 duramax tuned n modded
2011 32bhok Sabre
2015 camping "27 nights"

[lesptr]

Originally Posted by Swandog

Can't rely on the RV salesman or the Ford salesman. .

No, you can't. I did, and bought too much TT for my 2013 F150. I now have a 2015 F350. If I would have bought my second truck first (as I did with the camper), the TT would be a 5er instead.

[Swandog]

Originally Posted by lesptr

No, you can't. I did, and bought too much TT for my 2013 F150. I now have a 2015 F350. If I would have bought my second truck first (as I did with the camper), the TT would be a 5er instead.

I can see how easy that would be to do.

I must limit my truck choice to a 1/2 ton. The Grey Wolf 19RR toy hauler may work if I can find a truck to handle GVWR of 7574 lbs.

[FrankMor]

FR adds the weight of LP to scale weight to make sticker, SOB,s do not.

[bluewoo]

[CWSWine]

Originally Posted by TURBS

No they do not.
The sticker is printed when the unit goes across the scale and there is no propane in the tanks when that happens.
If it's not in or on the camper at this point it is not included in the tongue weight or uvw.

Tanks are included.
Also the battery is not included.

TURBS
08 duramax tuned n modded
2011 32bhok Sabre
2015 camping "27 nights"

Right from the bottom of the spec page on Forest River website. I quote;

"UVW (Unloaded Vehicle Weight)* – is the typical weight of the unit as manufactured at the factory. It includes all weight at the unit’s axle(s) and tongue or pin and LP Gas. The UVW does not include cargo, fresh potable water, additional optional equipment or dealer installed accessories.
*Estimated Average based on standard build optional equipment."

[TURBS]

Originally Posted by CWSWine

Right from the bottom of the spec page on Forest River website. I quote;

"UVW (Unloaded Vehicle Weight)* – is the typical weight of the unit as manufactured at the factory. It includes all weight at the unit’s axle(s) and tongue or pin and LP Gas. The UVW does not include cargo, fresh potable water, additional optional equipment or dealer installed accessories.
*Estimated Average based on standard build optional equipment."

That is the brochure uvw "not" the actual uvw that is on the printed sticker on your camper.

They do not figure propane when they weight the unit coming off the factory scale.

[emoji12] I challenge you to find a brochure uvw that Matches the camper yellow sticker uvw.

TURBS
08 duramax tuned n modded
2011 32bhok Sabre
2015 camping "27 nights"

[CWSWine]

Not the way I read it. The statement I posted above is the definition of what UVW includes and it does included LP gas and the statement below states that each RV is weight and the UVW is posted. There is no reference to battery.
“Each Forest River RV is weighed at the manufacturing facility prior to shipping. A label identifying the unloaded vehicle weight of the actual unit and the cargo carrying capacity is applied to every Forest River RV prior to leaving our facilities.”

I think you right when they used "Dry Weights" but they include more since they went to "UVW"

[WolfWhistle]

My Hyperdiaper weighed 6991# according to my sticker; brochure states 6759#. When I picked it up at the dealer, two empty 20# LP cylinders were included and factory installed. How could something that was not there have been weighed, such as roughly 40# of LPG? If that is the case the actual weight would not have been the actual weight.

Unloaded Vehicle Weight (UVW) - Sometimes called the Dry Weight, it is the weight of the RV without adding fuel, water, propane, supplies and passengers. The manufacturers UVW will not include any dealer-installed options

Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) - The manufacturer’s maximum load weight, in pounds, allowed for the vehicle. This rating includes the weight of the vehicle plus fuel, water, propane, supplies and passengers

RV Glossary by Forest River RV

[CWSWine]

Originally Posted by WolfWhistle

My Hyperdiaper weighed 6991# according to my sticker; brochure states 6759#. When I picked it up at the dealer, two empty 20# LP cylinders were included and factory installed. How could something that was not there have been weighed, such as roughly 40# of LPG? If that is the case the actual weight would not have been the actual weight.

Unloaded Vehicle Weight (UVW) - Sometimes called the Dry Weight, it is the weight of the RV without adding fuel, water, propane, supplies and passengers. The manufacturers UVW will not include any dealer-installed options

Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) - The manufacturer’s maximum load weight, in pounds, allowed for the vehicle. This rating includes the weight of the vehicle plus fuel, water, propane, supplies and passengers

RV Glossary by Forest River RV

Right from the Forest River Site and I quote and the link is below...

UVW (Unloaded Vehicle Weight)* – is the typical weight of the unit as manufactured at the factory. It includes all weight at the unit’s axle(s) and tongue or pin and LP Gas. The UVW does not include cargo, fresh potable water, additional optional equipment or dealer installed accessories.

Cedar Creek Fifth Wheels by Forest River RV
(Clink on "Specifications and look at bottom of page)

From the same link above also says and I qoute:
"Each Forest River RV is weighed at the manufacturing facility prior to shipping. A label identifying the unloaded vehicle weight of the actual unit and the cargo carrying capacity is applied to every Forest River RV prior to leaving our facilities."

LP gas is known weight so added it to the UVW weight wouldn't be hard.

I guess you just have to read the above statement and decided for yourself what it says - maybe it says to you no LP gas but that's not how I read it.

[WolfWhistle]

CWSWine, It seems you are right. The UVW is "typical of the weight as manufactured at the factory" and includes the weight of the propane. I thought I had read that somewhere before. It also says, each RV is weighed and gets a label identifying the unloaded vehicle weight or the actual unit... I think what the confusion is, is that on a brochure UVW is typical and UVW becomes actual as it leaves the factory. Then how can actual include the weight of propane if not there; granted the weight can be estimated very accurately. The point is mute, but I would like to know. This becomes a question for BulletBob, IMO.

[WolfWhistle]

I sent a PM to Bulletbob for clarification. Not important, but I would like to know.
WWW

[TURBS]

Originally Posted by WolfWhistle

CWSWine, It seems you are right. The UVW is "typical of the weight as manufactured at the factory" and includes the weight of the propane. I thought I had read that somewhere before. It also says, each RV is weighed and gets a label identifying the unloaded vehicle weight or the actual unit... I think what the confusion is, is that on a brochure UVW is typical and UVW becomes actual as it leaves the factory. Then how can actual include the weight of propane if not there; granted the weight can be estimated very accurately. The point is mute, but I would like to know. This becomes a question for BulletBob, IMO.

I've posed the question to a fr "source" and even tho I've been told before "no".
the answer was still the same.

Propane is NOT included in the uvw.


TURBS
08 duramax tuned n modded
2011 32bhok Sabre
2015 camping "27 nights"

[CWSWine]

AT the KC RV show I ask why the stickers on the RV went from Dry Weight to UVW and was told by person that said he was a factory rep said when they went to UVW they included more items. I'm almost positive he also said the battery was also included in the weight.

[TURBS]

Battery also not included.
Units do not leave the factory with them.

TURBS
08 duramax tuned n modded
2011 32bhok Sabre
2015 camping "27 nights"

[CWSWine]

Originally Posted by WolfWhistle

I sent a PM to Bulletbob for clarification. Not important, but I would like to know.
WWW

Let me know what he says. I would also like to know it the website is incorrect or have they change what they include in the UVW. I check Keystone site and they included the LP Gas in the CCC and not the UVW. If the website is incorrect they not only have to fix Forest Rivers but also on Primetimes site also.