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Old 09-17-2019, 06:31 AM   #41
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People telling you that you that a ProPride or Hensley isn't worth the money and you don't need one, without ever actually towing with one kinda reminds me of my kids saying they don't like spinach without ever tasting it.

I am happy that you all are completely satisfied with whatever brand hitch you use, but some of you seem to take it as a sort of low-grade personal insult or something that we dont agree that their preferred setup is enough.

I will admit there is a good chance, with enough tweaking and experimentation, that i might have been able to dial my Reese in to where i was happy with it. But then again maybe not. I AM more that happy with the ProPride out of the box. Why this upsets people is a mystery to me.

The OP wanted to know if people who actually USE ONE think its worth it. Thats a resounding yes from pretty much everyone who has.

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Old 09-17-2019, 06:42 AM   #42
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People telling you that you that a ProPride or Hensley isn't worth the money and you don't need one, without ever actually towing with one kinda reminds me of my kids saying they don't like spinach without ever tasting it.

I am happy that you all are completely satisfied with whatever brand hitch you use, but some of you seem to take it as a sort of low-grade personal insult or something that we dont agree that their preferred setup is enough.

I will admit there is a good chance, with enough tweaking and experimentation, that i might have been able to dial my Reese in to where i was happy with it. But then again maybe not. I AM more that happy with the ProPride out of the box. Why this upsets people is a mystery to me.

The OP wanted to know if people who actually USE ONE think its worth it. Thats a resounding yes from pretty much everyone who has.

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Old 09-17-2019, 07:11 AM   #43
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Wolfpup... I know you are saying this based on your experience and with good intentions. Which I can say with confidence, that your experience does not include towing a trailer without and with the Hensley. I know this, because if you had, you would 100% agree with me... No doubt whatsoever.
Some people have high tolerance for white knuckle driving. I do not. I hate the fact that 5 seconds of inattentive or bad driving can flip a rig.
There were 50,000 towing accidents last year. This includes all issues including hitch detach and blown tires. But over 8,000 were rollovers caused by sway. I consider this a lot. And if was was a billionaire. I would buy everyone towing a larger trailer a Hensley. I know I am not going to convince you or most others who manage with sway through good driving skills. I wish I could show the dynamic force 3D modeling that shows what dual pivot does. But here is an example. Take a 3 foot stick and swish it back and forth and watch how the stick end sways so much from side to side. That is the single pivot hitch. Now put a swivel about 6 inches down the stick and do the same. ZERO SWAY... Pure physics...
Just wondering.... Have you or anyone else owned and used both the Equal-I-Zer and then stepped to the Hensley/ProPride and saw the Equal-I-Zer to be inferior? Or maybe the other way to ask this is... have any of you bought an Equalizer 4 point and still had unacceptable sway issues and felt the need to step up to another product?

I'm shopping for a sway control for my 28' Apex tendem (31.5' to coupler) that is around 6500-7000 depending on how it's packed. My 1500 Ram is white knuckles and near death sway with no sway control. Would the "tried and true" old school 4 point Equalizer be inferior by a notable margin, or is it a pretty solid setup as well? They can be bought new for around $800, I have seen them used on CL and FB Market for around $300.
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Old 09-17-2019, 07:50 AM   #44
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Just wondering.... Have you or anyone else owned and used both the Equal-I-Zer and then stepped to the Hensley/ProPride and saw the Equal-I-Zer to be inferior? Or maybe the other way to ask this is... have any of you bought an Equalizer 4 point and still had unacceptable sway issues and felt the need to step up to another product?

I'm shopping for a sway control for my 28' Apex tendem (31.5' to coupler) that is around 6500-7000 depending on how it's packed. My 1500 Ram is white knuckles and near death sway with no sway control. Would the "tried and true" old school 4 point Equalizer be inferior by a notable margin, or is it a pretty solid setup as well? They can be bought new for around $800, I have seen them used on CL and FB Market for around $300.

It would probably be perfectly fine. Lot's of people use them with no major issues. They do a good job of controlling sway.

As much as I like my ProPride, and think it's the best thing going... I would recommend trying something cheaper first if money is tight.

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Just wondering.... Have you or anyone else owned and used both the Equal-I-Zer and then stepped to the Hensley/ProPride and saw the Equal-I-Zer to be inferior? Or maybe the other way to ask this is... have any of you bought an Equalizer 4 point and still had unacceptable sway issues and felt the need to step up to another product?

I'm shopping for a sway control for my 28' Apex tendem (31.5' to coupler) that is around 6500-7000 depending on how it's packed. My 1500 Ram is white knuckles and near death sway with no sway control. Would the "tried and true" old school 4 point Equalizer be inferior by a notable margin, or is it a pretty solid setup as well? They can be bought new for around $800, I have seen them used on CL and FB Market for around $300.


Iím one of those people who went e2 to equalizer 4pt to Hensley. The 4pt was ok, but not even in the world as Hensley. I still had white knuckle towing with the 4pt but probably because my tow vehicle has a shorter wheelbase. Plus I like the Hensley stays on the trailer, is dead quiet and smooth unlike the friction hitches.
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I too went from a Reese dual cam sway control hitch to a Hensley. I would never go back! Worth every penny!
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Since my 2017 air suspension Rebel 1500 has 1,050 payload, I'm going to look at trading it in tomorrow on a 2019 Ram 1500 Laramie Longhorn with 1,576 payload. Oh... And that would move me from the 5.5í bed to a 6.5' bed... Longer wheelbase. Gaining 500 lbs of legal payload doesn't seem like a big deal, but that would allow me to have a 900 lb tongue weight almost 700 lbs for people and stuff. My current truck takes the trailer.... And me. That's it.... legally.
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I have a Hensley, I can only guess that the jack foot hit the spring bar and consequently bound up the Hensley from properly pivoting. The result was a broken in two strut bar on the trailer. Not only do I make sure the trailer jack is fully retracted, but I also remove the removable foot plate! I know it struck the foot plate because of the extreme distortion of the foot (bent)! Lucky it didn't ruin the jack!
I have been removing the jack foot plate from day one with the Hensley. Always looked to me it could bind in the weight bars.
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If you want to end your sway issues and all the other crap associated with a bumper pull go to a fifth wheel. I have had numerous bumper pulls before i bought my fiver. I will quit rvíng before i ever go back to a bumper pull.
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I think the only ones who would not tell you they are total sway elimination tools are likely never to have used one. I had a Hensley for near twenty years, fantastic is the only way to describe it.
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If you want to end your sway issues and all the other crap associated with a bumper pull go to a fifth wheel. I have had numerous bumper pulls before i bought my fiver. I will quit rvíng before i ever go back to a bumper pull.
Sorry, I bought my new 2020 Apex 3 months ago.... Not ready to sell it.
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If you want to end your sway issues and all the other crap associated with a bumper pull go to a fifth wheel. I have had numerous bumper pulls before i bought my fiver. I will quit rvíng before i ever go back to a bumper pull.


Not true at all. I grew up with a weekend warrior 5th wheel toy hauler and now have a Hensley. The Hensley tows just as good as any 5th wheel. Plus the fiver was just to tall and had 2 levels. What a pain every time you want to go to the bathroom or bed. Also for those of us who donít want to waste a perfectly good truck bed, a bumper is way better. For me and the group of people we camp with, the last thing we want is a 5th wheel.
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Old 09-17-2019, 10:23 PM   #53
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If you want to end your sway issues and all the other crap associated with a bumper pull go to a fifth wheel. I have had numerous bumper pulls before i bought my fiver. I will quit rvíng before i ever go back to a bumper pull.

Not everyone wants a 5ver. It's been covered before in this thread, but some people use an SUV, and some people want their bed open for other reasons.

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Since my 2017 air suspension Rebel 1500 has 1,050 payload, I'm going to look at trading it in tomorrow on a 2019 Ram 1500 Laramie Longhorn with 1,576 payload. Oh... And that would move me from the 5.5í bed to a 6.5' bed... Longer wheelbase. Gaining 500 lbs of legal payload doesn't seem like a big deal, but that would allow me to have a 900 lb tongue weight almost 700 lbs for people and stuff. My current truck takes the trailer.... And me. That's it.... legally.
From what I've been told, that Eco Boost F150 would pull the heck out of your trailer!
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From what I've been told, that Eco Boost F150 would pull the heck out of your trailer!
The 3.5L Eco twin turbo pulls it better than my rebel from a stability point of view, but man... my 5.7L 3.92 8 speed Ram feels more powerful all around. Having both in the garage.... I would pick the Ram 5.7L over the F-150 3.5L for heavy trailers. I would rather use the ford for moving my Jeep and tractors around.... plus that King is a rolling luxury hotel with massage seats, smart cruise, blind spot, auto crash mitigation/lane departure, tailgate step and auto taint tickler. The F-150 King is so so amazing as far as ride quality! We have a MKZ Black and anymore... we take the King instead.

But at the end of the day, the 5.7L Hemi paired with the gears and 8 speed is really a super fantastic puller of heavy things. It is crippled by the air suspension. So my swapping it out to the Laramie Longhorn gets me the same 5.7L/8-speed/3.92 gears but with a coil sprung suspension and around +500 lb payload.... and the Longhorn package steps up near the luxury levels of a King. So I will have the best of both worlds!

I am still going back and forth in my head about a 2500/3500. I really do not want to do that again. I spent 20 years with diesel pickups and promised myself I would never buy another. And I stopped towing heavy 3-4 times a week like we did for many years when I had the diesels. I really feel that a properly equipped half ton can handle my Apex, and I know I can move 5,000 lb farm tractors and Jeeps around on 3,000 lb tractors like they aren't even there with the Ford or the Ram.

The only rare occurrence of heavy is a New Holland C232 that is around 11,000 lbs with the grapple on it and the 3,200 lb Iron Bull equipment trailer. But I never move that far from home base at all, and only on rural back roads that have me typically topping out at 50 MPH. No mini excavators or anything like that... all done with bigger stuff.
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Ok, here is the question, I have a 37 toy hauler, I currently have a 4 pt equalizer 1400lb WD hitch setup and it works pretty good, yes I have some pull when being passed by a semi, but that's to be expected, at least I think so. I have towed campers and trailer for years, in fact for about 5 years I worked part time for a RV dealer in NC and made countless trips to Jayco and KZ to pickup new units. To anyone that has made the investment and bought a Hensley or Propride WDH, are they so much better that they are worth the 3000. I'm not unhappy with my current setup, but would defiantly be willing to spend the investment if they are worth it. I would like for my wife to help drive on the interstate to give me a break sometimes, but she has almost no towing experience and would like it to be as safe and sway free as possible.

So if you have made the change or know someone that has, give me your input

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If you’re getting a bit of sway with your 14K Equalizer, I’d work at getting it dialled in better before spending $3000 on a Hensley or ProPride. $3000 will buy a lot of camping nights.

If you can’t get it dialled in any better and the sway is concerning go ahead and buy either the Hensley or ProPride if you can afford it. They are definitely the best at addressing sway but I’m not convinced they are any better at weight distribution. If you’re overweight, a Hensley or ProPride is not going to solve that.
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I give the TT folks a lot of credit for setting up and getting these trailers to pull straight and I see the use of the truck bed a big plus .... we pulled 24' and 28' Pace Shadow trailers for our lawn business and always just hooked to bumper... the 28' were close to 9,000 lbs our advantage was around town driving never past 45 mph but one day a week we traveled I 75 at 65 mph ... what I know from experience we had an exact way to load them and if we did not well hang on ... I think the smart TT campers have figured out best loading and that helps sway before the pull away from home... if you are having trouble with sway look at loading as well as your hitch ...
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If youíre overweight, a Hensley or ProPride is not going to solve that.

They are not supposed to.

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Not everyone wants a 5ver. It's been covered before in this thread, but some people use an SUV, and some people want their bed open for other reasons.

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your DW wants a 5ver, your Excursion was your only line of defense. Let me know when you need help installing that fifth wheel hitch buddy


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Just wondering.... Have you or anyone else owned and used both the Equal-I-Zer and then stepped to the Hensley/ProPride and saw the Equal-I-Zer to be inferior? Or maybe the other way to ask this is... have any of you bought an Equalizer 4 point and still had unacceptable sway issues and felt the need to step up to another product?

I'm shopping for a sway control for my 28' Apex tendem (31.5' to coupler) that is around 6500-7000 depending on how it's packed. My 1500 Ram is white knuckles and near death sway with no sway control. Would the "tried and true" old school 4 point Equalizer be inferior by a notable margin, or is it a pretty solid setup as well? They can be bought new for around $800, I have seen them used on CL and FB Market for around $300.
Me, I am exactly that person. I posted about it earlier in this thread. Yes! Massive improvement, buuut....
I think the first thing is the length of TV vs tt. I think anything under 28' or so can be handled pretty decent with the equalizer and a half ton. I tow both a rockwood minilite that is 28' total and also a rockwood ultra which is 34' total. Those 6' make a huge difference. The mini handles fine even in some wind behind a f150. The larger trailer was good most cases, until the wind increased. The PP fixed all of it.
So to answer your question you are right in that grey zone from my experience. If you want to be 100% sure, get the PP and never look back. If you want to try and save money, get an equalizer and see how it goes. It may work just fine. Or you may need to upgrade anyway, costing more money. If you are pulling it with a half ton, the E4 will probably be ok, but right at the limit.
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