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Old 05-20-2012, 02:22 PM   #31
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Thanks again, Herk.

The CAT website has a great explanation and pictures, too.
OK, Herk. Here are my actual weights from the scale.

My GVWR is 5,450 lbs.
Max. tongue weight allowed is 650 lbs.
My GCWR is 11,100 lbs.

Let me know what you think.

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Old 05-20-2012, 03:12 PM   #32
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itat, it seems to me that the WDH needs to transfer more to the steering axle.

just another opinion. as a 23SS owner, i hate to tell you but your 23SS hitch weight, loaded for camping, will surely exceed that 650 number for the Tacoma.

here's a pic from one of the longtime 23SS owner, who's famous for pics of everything on his 23SS.



and his 23SS is 7'6" wide, like mine, not 8' wide like yours. therefore yours will be heavier.
and i believe this tongue weight is without water and cargo.
so, for a 23SS that's 6" narrower and no water/cargo, his tongue weight is already 645lbs.

that's the problem with v-6 trucks/SUVs and why i didn't buy one to tow my 23SS. limited tongue weight.
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Old 05-20-2012, 05:23 PM   #33
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OK, Herk. Here are my actual weights from the scale.

My GVWR is 5,450 lbs.
Max. tongue weight allowed is 650 lbs.
My GCWR is 11,100 lbs.

Let me know what you think.

Thanks!
Tired after driving home. I just deleted a long post by accident before I finished it.

I am starting over.

OK, Here's how I figured it:
Truck max weight - 5450
Truck unhitched - 4920
Truck hitched no WD - (2480+3000) 5480 - 30 pounds overweight
Truck hitched WD - (2520 +2910) 5440 - 10 pounds under max

Camper Weight - 10,160 - 4920 = 5240
Camper GVWR - 5979 Load available (5979 - 5240) = 739 pounds

Max tongue load 650 pounds
Actual tongue load - 5480 - 4920 = 560 pounds
Load ratio - 560 / 5240 * 100 = 10.7%

So every 100 pounds more you put in the camper with your set up you will add 10.7 pounds to the tongue.

While you could add more weight to the camper, if you do you will need to make sure it does not subtract from the tongue load. You don't want a lighter tongue than you currently have.

A heavier tongue would be desirable, but you are already at your trucks maximum weight.

IMHO

Your combined weight is just fine.
Loaded as you currently are you are just fine.
Don't mess with anything you could make it worse instead of better.
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Old 05-21-2012, 02:31 PM   #34
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Thanks for your help guys.

Bikendan, I suppose my WD hitch could put more weight to the front axle but it sits pretty level as its set now.

Herk, my yellow sticker says my trailer's GVWR is 6322 lbs so as I'm currently loaded I could put another 1082 lbs. of cargo in it, but frankly its more than heavy enough now for my Tacoma. Coming home today up a long grade I had no power to accelerate although the Equal-i-zer did a great job keeping it stable back there.

My weights were of course with all 3 tanks empty so as soon as I load up with water (with the FW tank located up front) it looks like I'm over my Tacoma's GVWR.

I was going to invest in some Air Lift air bags if the weights were better but I think I'd be better off upgrading to a full size truck since the air bags don't do anthing to improve my truck's GVWR or payload.

I bought the Tacoma a couple years ago thinking we would be getting a smaller trailer but we fell in love with the 23SS floorplan and decided to see how it went and upgrade the truck if need be.

I can live with this setup for now but I'll be keeping my eye out for a deal on a bigger tow vehicle. Definitely by next year. Particularly since with my current setup, my limited payload means I need a 2nd vehicle to transport 4 of our party of 6 passengers.
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I just pulled the GVWR on the camper off a dealer's web site.
Your numbers off the camper are the one's to go by.

You are correct. The camper can carry more; but your truck won't be able to carry its share of that load.
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