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Old 11-15-2013, 10:59 AM   #1
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Weight Police- Answer this...

I think the answer is "Good point. Doesn't make any sense. I don't know." Some will also likely say "Doesn't matter. It is what it is and if you wanna be legal you better follow it." (I've never liked someone declaring something IS without a reason.) But I'd like to know if anyone can come to any other conclusion regarding this:

2013 Ford F150 with tow package gives a GVWR of 7200#. Add the max trailer tow package and GVWR goes to 7700#. There is NOTHING on the truck that affects payload capacity. You get tow mirrors and brake controller for sure, but both are easily optioned to the truck and have nothing to do with payload. There are some that claim slightly better trans cooler and slightly different steering ratio. Also I believe that the gear ratio goes to 3.73, which is already the case on many trucks, specifically the FX4's. None of these things has anything to do with payload. It is perfectly clear that GVWR is NOT anything determined from an engineering standpoint. Same axles, same springs and shocks, same brakes, same frame. As far as I am concerned it is a marketing and liability issue. Has little to do with the safety or capability, otherwise you couldn't just slap some mirrors on a truck (TBC comes in many other packages) and raise the GVWR by 500 lbs.

For clarification: Some people confuse the max trailer tow with the max payload. Two different animals- max payload has a different axle, springs, wheels, tires, etc.

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It's a guide which allows some percantage of latitude. One pound over and your illegal? Probably not.
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Old 11-15-2013, 11:12 AM   #3
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I had assumed it was some type of change with shocks/springs. You're right, doesn't make sense that the rear axle ratio change would affect the payload. Tow mirrors, while very nice to have, also wouldn't affect payload.

You have raised an interesting question....

Either way, my conclusion was that the max payload package was a requirement for me on my next truck. Whether you are at 7200 or 7700 lbs, pulling a decent size trailer with all our gear, its very easy to max out the payload long before we max out towing capacity or CGWR.
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The issue I ran into was availability of the max trailer tow. Everyone likes to quote the MSRP difference of only $500. But the difference was going to be several thousand for me. There was only a handful of max trailer tow within hundreds of miles, and the dealers wouldn't even trade them. The dealership I was working with knows me and I was getting an exceptional deal. I wasn't willing to pay a few thousand extra to get a bigger number on a sticker for the exact same truck. Mine came with the TBC and I added the mirrors. Now I've got the max trailer tow, but I didn't pay for the bigger number on the sticker.
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its very easy to max out the payload long before we max out towing capacity or cgwr.

totally agree!
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I guess it speaks to the "weakest link" principal that Herk has talked about before. The GVWR and thus payload has to come from the minimum of something. The question is- what is it?

How positive are you that you know what goes into the maximum tow package over a truck without it? If I'm going to stand and make an argument for/against something, I'd want to know from Ford directly (and not a dealer- I've found that most of the salesman are as best-guess-educated as the rest of us).
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Old 11-15-2013, 11:20 AM   #7
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It's a guide which allows some percantage of latitude. One pound over and your illegal? Probably not.
Some states, Massachusetts may be one IIRC, actually state that you aren't illegal until 1,000 over GVWR. Most states you can find no information about passenger vehicle GVWR legality.
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I guess it speaks to the "weakest link" principal that Herk has talked about before. The GVWR and thus payload has to come from the minimum of something. The question is- what is it?
I think it is either the warranty department or the legal department.

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How positive are you that you know what goes into the maximum tow package over a truck without it? If I'm going to stand and make an argument for/against something, I'd want to know from Ford directly (and not a dealer- I've found that most of the salesman are as best-guess-educated as the rest of us).
Very true about the dealers. I usually end up educating them about their trucks. There is a good bit of discussion out there about the difference and many accounts of the information I presented as valid. Also, per the Ford lit. and when going through the online build process, there is no other difference. The differences that account for the increase on the max payload are clearly outlined by Ford in both of those places.
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I will add that there is a difference in the hitch and how the bumper attaches to it with the max tow. But all of the hitches are Class IV which actually have a 1400/14000 inherent rating from what I read. My cousin fell asleep and ran into a parked semi with an empty cattle trailer attached to his Tundra. Obviously totaled the truck. The trailer folded the frame up like a taco, but the entire hitch assembly was still fine, including the ball. The hitch assembly is NOT a weak link.
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If you have a question "Specific to YOUR truck," the Ford engineering department should talk to you. If they are anything like GM, they will not be interested in talking to you in "general terms" since every VIN has a specific build.

Ran into this in conversations with GM regarding my 2500HD.
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