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Old 02-27-2016, 07:25 AM   #1
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Weight Question

New to the forum. Loaded with great information. I have a trailer/truck combo question. I'm second questing if my truck is rated high enough to pull it. I know there are charts and calculations out there but those darn things confuse me. Looking for some assistance.

We are currently looking at purchasing a new 5th wheel (2016 Chaparral 390qsmb). Specs of the trailer are:
-dry weight 12,170
-pin weight 2230
-GVWR 15,000

I have a 2011 GMC Sierra crew cab 4wd with a standard 6.5 bed, 6.6L Duramax. Truck specs are:
-payload 2792
-GVWR 10,000
-chart shows "5th wheel hitch" 16,700 which I assume is the max trailer weight
-GCWR 24,500

Any input, help, or suggestions would be appreciated!!!
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Old 02-27-2016, 07:37 AM   #2
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Welcome! This is a great forum. With a question like this you are going to get some facts and many opinions.
It can get confusing and fast. Looking at your setup IMHO... Your issue will be the payload and pin weight. Once you add gear to the trailer the pin weight will increase some. Then on the other side you need to add you add whom ever will be riding with you plus gear plus fuel to the truck side. ALl of these will lower your ability...
There will be several people that will chime in with some really good info...this is just my little bit...
Good luck be safe...
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Old 02-27-2016, 08:30 AM   #3
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your pin weight will be at or over your payload once loaded. That's even before you factor in the weight of 5th wheel hitch, people in truck, and anything else in cab and bed.
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Old 02-27-2016, 08:50 AM   #4
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Is there anything I can do to my current setup/truck that would help this issue?
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Old 02-27-2016, 08:56 AM   #5
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Is there anything I can do to my current setup/truck that would help this issue?
nothing at all. I'm sure someone will say airbags. They don't add payload, just make it so the truck doesn't squat under load. I wouldn't be too concerned if your just a couple hundred over payload. Will take lots of figuring to see where you stand. Include EVERYTHING in your calculations. Truck is very capable.
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Old 02-27-2016, 08:57 AM   #6
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If this is a single rear wheel truck, then the tires will be the main factor in your ability to tow that rig. You will be at the max +/- some lbs. Check the side wall of the tires for max single tire weight rating. Multiply by 2 and that is the max weight the rear axle can handle. If it is less than the RAWR sticker, get better tires. You may have the AAM 11 1/2 rear axle in your truck. If so, that is the same axle used in the 3500 duel rear wheel truck and is only limited by the tires and RIMS.
As for towing that much weight, exhaust brake, air bags, rear sway bar and air hitch or air ride pin box are a must. The 5th is a balanced on its axles from front to rear. The more weight you have rear of the coaches axles, the less weight on the pin. I have no problems towing a 15,000 lbs Sanibel 3600 after installing the factory 18" J rated rims from a 2014 Ram 3500. The new tires added 900 lbs more load capacity to the rear axle. This is still less than a 3500 drw, but keeps the truck from being overloaded. I have the 11 1/2 AAM axle.
The air bags add a third point for weight distribution on the frame and allow adjustments to the ride height.
A rear sway bar is a big help with or without the coach.
Driving down a 6% grade, exhaust brake is a must!
I am sure many others on this forum will tell you I am nuts, but this is the mods I installed and they work well on the truck.
I install a Trailaire pin box on the coach to reduce the shock to the frame of the coach and truck. This helped with reducing chucking.
Now, let the fighting begin. Where are the weight police?
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Where would I find whether or not I have that axle? Is there a stamp on it somewhere?
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Old 02-27-2016, 09:51 AM   #8
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You will most likely be over gvwr, i have 2012 duramax
my pin weight is 1750 sticker says but runing over the scales i,m pushing 1950 and
my gvrw is just about 400 over truck handeles the 5ver no problem i did install air bags just to stabliz it in a cross wind and run them at 15 pounds when towing 5 when not
And thats with me and the wife and what we travel with so i dont have much i can lighten the load with i,m looking at what i dont need in my basement or
thinking about a 3500 dully 8 ft bed
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Old 02-27-2016, 10:16 AM   #9
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Here some numbers you can play with and made some assumptions.

Towing Calculator based on Truck's Payload/CCC - Towing Planner

You're adding approximately 650 lbs. to the truck. You have 2,142 lbs. of payload capacity. Fifth wheels typically have 20% - 25% pin weight which gives you a maximum loaded camper weight of 8,568 - 10,710 lbs.
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Where would I find whether or not I have that axle? Is there a stamp on it somewhere?
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Old 02-27-2016, 12:18 PM   #11
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Thanks, I'll check that link!
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